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Biden blame might be mitigated somewhat.

Pompeo's already reinventing himself on Twitter.

Don't know if the US are getting people out, but the UK seem very unprepared.

Did Raab choose Cyprus so he could blag a lift on a RAF plane? Perk of the job when you're FS.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:36 pm Note the contrast with this far sighted political genius. What was the second part of the plan?

So to sum up: doing something was wrong. Doing nothing now is wrong. But saying you'd do nothing at the time (even when, at the time, it would have been utterly disastrous) makes you some sort of peace guru.

Honestly, Jez's solution to the trolley problem would be to organise a protest against non-electric public transport that somehow causes the trolley to run everyone over.

Oblomov wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:11 am

Biden blame might be mitigated somewhat.

So much winning.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:08 pm Pompeo's already reinventing himself on Twitter.

Don't know if the US are getting people out, but the UK seem very unprepared.

They don't seem to be a brilliant job at all. To give some credit Canada will take 20,000.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:29 pm Did Raab choose Cyprus so he could blag a lift on a RAF plane? Perk of the job when you're FS.

I know it stands for Foreign Secretary but, when it comes to Raab, "FS" could stand for so many other things as well.....

Any reason why Iran has sanctions against it, Aaron? Iran are famously never imperial.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:27 pm Lives of Afghans are nothing compared to sticking it to somebody who retired 14 years ago. Hilariously some people BTL seems to think this makes Blair a liar.

It's seeing wankers like Osland using this to score points on their opponents which is making my blood boil.

Hearing reports of three people falling to their deaths whilst clinging to a C-17 transport out of Kabul.

Only these bastards could sink this low.

Its standard anodyne obfuscation from StW but they are not suggesting reparations for the Taliban.

Nobody should underestimate the Taliban. Not only have they twice taken over the government of Afghanistan, they also time travelled back to the 80s, having been formed in 1994.

Well if they want to offer reparations to rebuild Afghanistan who do they think these reparations will go to?

Boiler wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:28 pm

Hearing reports of three people falling to their deaths whilst clinging to a C-17 transport out of Kabul.

State of the comments ‘crocodile tears’ ‘Blair’s fault’ whataboutery blah blah. I understand Ben Wallace approached the French and Germans about a continued operation but Macron back down. Fair play to Wallace if he did, at least he tried.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:39 pm Its standard anodyne obfuscation from StW but they are not suggesting reparations for the Taliban.

The money would have to pass through the Taliban though wouldn't it?

Interesting that these refugees should all appear now when the imperialist warmongers leave.

Saw 3.5 million quoted as the number of refugees returned to Afghanistan when the Taliban fell. Try and find a source. Learning on the job here but what was achieved in the urban areas where most live and keeping the Taliban at bay doesn’t look like a failed mission. Stalemate isn’t failure or a ground war quagmire with no identifiable good outcomes.

Good point about the return of refugees. The GDP figures look pretty good in the 2001-2021 period too. Considering the US were apparently smashing the country up.

https://tradingeconomics.com/afghanistan/gdp

Boiler wrote:

Hearing reports of three people falling to their deaths whilst clinging to a C-17 transport out of Kabul.

I've seen a video on tiktok and it does look like it's true

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:41 pm Nobody should underestimate the Taliban. Not only have they twice taken over the government of Afghanistan, they also time travelled back to the 80s, having been formed in 1994.

Oh lordy Afghanistan is one of those things which suffers from I like to call simple history where history is nice and simple and crucially happens to fit in with their worldview. See Graveyard of empires for another example of this.