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Continental far right parties have won with slick younger leaders who've managed to strike a chord beyond the usual suspects that Farage attracts. Be more concerned if Badenoch won than Jenrick.

davidjay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:05 pm As someone brought up with Heseltine's claim that the Tories were the most effective election-fighting machine in Western Europe , these are incredible days. They've overnight turned into Labour post-83, explaining away cataclysmic defeat as happening not because they were seen as extremists, but because they weren't extreme enough. They're chasing the Reform vote without reaiising that a big chunk of said vote is now full-on WEF/Great Reset/Covid-denying batshitters who won't vote Tory under any leader who isn't Farage.

And lots of Reform voters are left wing on economics. They put this some way behind being right wing on culture and might show up for Kemi, but talk of privatisation and cutting taxes on the richest won’t help.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:44 pm Continental far right parties have won with slick younger leaders who've managed to strike a chord beyond the usual suspects that Farage attracts. Be more concerned if Badenoch won than Jenrick.

A couple of issues here.

Jenrick is 2 years younger than Badenoch and the race does play a part in these things.

Also the fact you mention Slick.

42 but Jenrick's about 70 in Tory years. Kemi's a breath of fresh of air compared to stale Jenrick, according to a focus group of morons.

Tory switchers warm to ‘no-nonsense’ Badenoch over Jenrick’s ‘more of the same’ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... leadership

No nonsense = slagging off autistic children because a lot of retired colonels and their awful wives think it’s actually just kids being lazy.

Has Hitchens endorsed her? He’s a big fan of making out factually-based, established mental health diagnoses are fraudulent as well, and coincidentally he’s also incredibly arrogant, entitled, thin skinned and calls foul as soon as he’s pulled up on anything, so she’d be right up his street.

There was a fair bit of nonsense in that pamphlet.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:21 am

Has Hitchens endorsed her? He’s a big fan of making out factually-based, established mental health diagnoses are fraudulent as well, and coincidentally he’s also incredibly arrogant, entitled, thin skinned and calls foul as soon as he’s pulled up on anything, so she’d be right up his street.

That's all on the money about Hitchens but he'll not be endorsing either of them as these days he hates the Conservative party as it's been too left wing for decades and is now just a continuation of new Labour. Then again, he also has no time for Thatcher as she wasn't a true conservative.

Well he is a hypocrite as well, so I suppose not recognising his own traits is par for the course

Youngian wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:32 am 42 but Jenrick's about 70 in Tory years. Kemi's a breath of fresh of air compared to stale Jenrick, according to a focus group of morons.

Tory switchers warm to ‘no-nonsense’ Badenoch over Jenrick’s ‘more of the same’ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... leadership

I’m a bit wary of room of people who know who these two are. Also any reason they haven’t ask LD switchers?

Also Harriet Hartman answer just made me feel very cynical about them, if of course they got hacked they’d be angry in a local newspaper before midday.

I also have my doubts when you find someone who agrees with something so off the radar you know they’ve eithier not thought about it or had it drilled into them, see the civil service prison thing.

If these are true of the wider public then god help us, but I seriously have my doubts. I would suggest the majority is the rump of the 28% that usually votes Tory throw in some Labour switchers.

I'm curious as to the final destination of 'no-nonsense'. That is, if you adopted it with 100% conviction, and did away with everything it thought should be done away with, what would be left?

It feels very much like an ideological purity test, masquerading as the opposite. What is nonsense? Who decides?

Politicians whose words have no consequences can adopt the no nonsense persona but not when they're scrutinised. As Kemi is discovering, when pulled up and gets ratty: "that's not what I said, what I said was.." Not a credible tactic for a leader in the spotlight.

I'd have marginally more respect for them if they said "What I meant to say was...", and acknowledge a poor choice of words, or loss of nuance; rather than an attempt to rewrite reality.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:42 am I'd have marginally more respect for them if they said "What I meant to say was...", and acknowledge a poor choice of words, or loss of nuance; rather than an attempt to rewrite reality.

That would mean they'd been mistaken, which they never are.

I'd have more respect if they didn't say it every time they opened their gob.

Thatcher's Axiom applies.

https://nation.cymru/news/cut-welfare-t ... l-jenrick/

Returning the benefits bill to pre-pandemic levels would free up enough money for a 2p income tax cut, Robert Jenrick said as he laid out his vision for Britain’s economy.

In a wide-ranging speech on Wednesday, the Conservative leadership hopeful argued for a small-state, lower-regulation Britain, taking the Margaret Thatcher government has his example.

He told an audience in the upstairs room of a restaurant on Old Queen’s Street, Westminster: “It’s a simple agenda, rather than a big state that fails we need a small state that works.”

"We'll try the same all over again, but this time it will work, trust me."

Plus a nice bit of good old 'raise (relatively regressive) VAT during the bad times and cut (relatively progressive) income tax during the good' that the Tories have been getting away with for decades without anyone calling them out.

Yet its the small state that always fails as its "vital core" provisions collapse through lack of investment.

The tory mind cannot comprehend the need for ongoing preventative maintenance.

Dead money, innit? Factor in emergency exploitation too. Lots of money to be made from selling people ropes when they're hanging off a cliff, rather than using the ropes to stop people going over.

Otherwise known as 'dynamic' and 'incisive' 'thought-leadership'.

The entire world is a cosmic joke and they're the fucking punchline.

Thick cunts.