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Joy Morrissey and Bill Cash voted against. Ultimate headbangers.

The funniest part is he told his supporters not to go against it in the hope of avoiding a division so he could perpetuate the (to be honest already fairly busted) myth that he still had a lot of support. But because he installed such weak-minded nutters they had to ‘back boris’ even when Boris said not to. And so we see that he has about as much support as cast iron knickers with wet tissue paper for elastic.

In a way, I have some regard for the Magnificent Seven, who at least had the bottle to stand up and show the world that they are actually as insane as we thought they are. I have nothing but contempt for the spineless pissweasels, both pro and anti Johnson, who hid in the fridge rather than do what they believed to be right.

Corbyn included.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:51 pm Jezza abstained...

Is this because MPs should be accountable to the members not ‘the party bureaucracy’ in parliament?

Nah. Just another example of "kinder, gentler politics" only applying to the Tories. Non-Corbynites and Jews can still fuck off.

My MP Peter Bone, a guy you could not keep off the airwaves to defend Johnson and even got a government non-job off him...abstained.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:51 pm Jezza abstained...

I look forward to this particular vote being appended to the ‘right side of history’ list

Dalem Lake wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:15 am My MP Peter Bone, a guy you could not keep off the airwaves to defend Johnson and even got a government non-job off him...abstained.

Jake Berry's mine. Married to Johnson’s former office manager, and has spent the last three and a half years bragging about how he's bezzie mates with Johnson, and can get your concerns straight into Johnson’s ear.

He made all of the right noises in the Commons, then abstained.

Hard not to see the abstentions as part of the overarching strategy, imported from the US, of delegitimising the results of the democratic process when they don't suit.

I think, based on the American precedent (and the lesser versions seen elsewhere, such as current Unionist/DUP posture that they aren't *really* a minority, because reasons) that we can expect to see more of this shit as the general election approaches and passes. I don't see it gaining the same traction in the UK, but it says a lot that they're going to try it anyway

Yeah, move the goalposts as to how you define who you answer to. Parliament? No. The party? No. Your constituents? Nope, not them. Who, then? The real people out there, the silent majority, those outside the elitist urban intellectual clever clogs book reading BBC4 watching more than two shirts in the wardrobe and know what quinoa is and how to pronounce it urban elites.

I may have been overly quick to assign this to the US, given "16.7 million willofthepeople" has been the standard brickbat in British politics this last seven years.

MisterMuncher wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:44 am Hard not to see the abstentions as part of the overarching strategy, imported from the US, of delegitimising the results of the democratic process when they don't suit.

I think, based on the American precedent (and the lesser versions seen elsewhere, such as current Unionist/DUP posture that they aren't *really* a minority, because reasons) that we can expect to see more of this shit as the general election approaches and passes. I don't see it gaining the same traction in the UK, but it says a lot that they're going to try it anyway

Silent Majority - is what they'll claim.

You'll be amazed to hear this. Bozo has taken an IDS approach to the CVs of people he's honoured.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:19 am
Silent Majority - is what they'll claim.

Problem (for them) is, silent majority only really works if everyone is silent. With over 100 against and 7 for, it just looks like they couldn’t be arsed and/or were just too cowardly.

Which is another Boris habit - not making difficult or principled decisions* if you can simply dodge them. See: every fucking Covid crunch point where he left it too late until only 1 choice remained that he could then claim was ‘following science’.

I was thinking about this the other night though: in a parallel universe, where Johnson submitted the Remain column, he probably would still have become PM at some point - possibly post Covid if Cameron made a hash of it - but in the EU. So he’d be able to have chosen a cabinet of intelligent, reasonable types such as David Gauke or Dominic Grieve, rather than being left with leave-leaning imbeciles, sycophantic dregs and sociopaths. He could have basically left the heavy lifting to them and genuinely been Funtime Boris the jolly leader. But he fucked it all because his greed for the job he felt he should have and jealousy toward Cameron wouldn’t let him play the medium game, let alone a long one.

If Dorries and his other hangers-on want to know who really did for Boris Johnson in 2023, they need look no further than Boris Johnson of 2016.

*the latter because this makes it more awkward should the opposite stance to the one you chose become more beneficial to you later.

Yug wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:59 am In a way, I have some regard for the Magnificent Seven, who at least had the bottle to stand up and show the world that they are actually as insane as we thought they are. I have nothing but contempt for the spineless pissweasels, both pro and anti Johnson, who hid in the fridge rather than do what they believed to be right.

Corbyn included.

It's their job.
Turn up and vote on stuff in the interests of their country and their constituents.
That's what they are employed to do.
How many of us can take a day off just because there's a task to be done which we just don't fancy? How tolerant of that behaviour would our employers be?
Ironically, I understand from Newsnight that many of them opted to attend a party instead.

According to Hansard the following words (usually considered unparliamentary) were said in debate yesterday:

LIE: 17 times LIES: 19 times LIAR: 23 times LIARS: 3 times LYING: 27 times.

This is hilarious, and more than slightly tragic.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i ... 33ccb&ei=6

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:04 am This is hilarious, and more than slightly tragic.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i ... 33ccb&ei=6

You could cut that down to "I am a libertarian".
The rest is straight out of the dog-eared playbook.

While I accept that everybody needs a hobby, this week has seen far too much "ramming it down unwilling throats".

Please, oh please. Do it

The Liberal Democrats have written to the government's Forfeiture Committee seeking to have Boris Johnson's honours list withdrawn.

Christine Jardine, the party's spokesperson for the cabinet office, raised doubts about the suitability of the people the former prime minister nominated for titles, including those "implicated in the partygate saga".

The MP for Edinburgh West also said the events that have occurred since their names were released two weeks ago have "brought the honours system into disrepute" and there are grounds for revoking the list "in its entirety"...

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/lib-dems ... t-12906422

Anybody recommend by Johnson should be automatically barred on the grounds of "if that twat wants to reward them for something then they're probably dodgy as fuck ."

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:12 pm You'll be amazed to hear this. Bozo has taken an IDS approach to the CVs of people he's honoured.

Is this the photograph the Met said was insufficient evidence of any rule breaking?