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Ha ha ha.

https://skwawkbox.org/2021/11/05/opposi ... -from-his/

Here’s how much Keir Starmer earned recently from his ‘moonlighting’, as pointed out by leading left-winger Howard Beckett:

Lawyer gives legal advice at very reasonably rates. Just like Owen Paterson, yeah. This was bad because being a constituency MP should be a full time job. Where does that leave the Leader of the Opposition? Is he double jobbing? Or is it only Hero Jez who does that without spending less time in Islington North?

Lawyer gives legal advice at very reasonably rates

Noticed that as Starmer was still doing cases at his market rate when first became an MP. Eye wateringly expensive cases only wealthy organisations and union leaders spaffing their members dosh, could afford.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:05 pm Utterly dim.

Apparently a Labour leader was taking money for state TV appearances from a country that hangs men from cranes for being gay. But not the present one.

Another reminder who they see as the opposition.

I'm sure the "Quiff Quisling" is quaking in his boots:

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2021/1 ... epart.html

Yet if there were a General Election next Thursday, Bozo would most likely be returned to power, and with a majority hardly reduced from its current level. And that comes down to one thing, and one alone: the quality and visibility of the opposition. Put bluntly, we know little of the quality because the visibility is not there, is not cutting through.

That in turn is down to Keir Starmer, whose leadership of Labour has at times appeared hardly visible. He is unconvincing. He equivocates. He waffles. There is no fire in the belly. All of which was on increasingly painful view on The Andy Marr Show™ this morning.

Here's the best Tory poll with fieldwork this week.



That's a 4 point swing to Labour from 2019. Squeeze half of those Greens (not many Reform Party voters for the Tories to squeeze in there) and Labour gains 50 seats. The SNP probably gain 6 or 7 off the Tories.

That's not a "hardly reduced majority", is it?

Labour leads in a poll!

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:31 pm Labour leads in a poll!

I dunno. It’s almost like the electorate at large don’t care that Starmer isn’t an alternative in the sense he’s out on a picket every day or trying to shoehorn in what a lifelong campaigner against blah blah blah he is, and instead are coming around to the idea that maybe someone solid, dependable and ethical in charge who doesn’t make everything a joke and isn’t desperate for their affection might be a pretty good plan.

Samanfur wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:35 pm

Also of note, the article says this (my emphasis):

The poll was largely conducted before the Owen Paterson sleaze scandal exploded at Westminster.

Shit-spray from the sewage dumping? Might explain the Green bounce.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:49 pm Shit-spray from the sewage dumping? Might explain the Green bounce.

The smart money must be on sample-wobble. Since when did any party increase its polling numbers by a half within a few short weeks?

Shire Tories?, it’s not always obvious though that one share of the vote goes to the other, without looking at the data, if I was really bored and looked at who abstained or voted against I reckon it’s those who don’t need to be so loyal to Johnson.

They’ve also dropped in the redfield Wilton poll by 3, Labour took 1 to sit one behind with REFUK taking 2.

All polls are no within 1pt bar Delta which ran solely before the corruption thing blew up.

I guess we will see if this is the point in which they went from we can do no right to that we can do no wrong. Going for a trade war with France might please some but it won’t please all and it’s probably those who are jittery that it will please the least.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:55 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:49 pm Shit-spray from the sewage dumping? Might explain the Green bounce.

The smart money must be on sample-wobble. Since when did any party increase its polling numbers by a half within a few short weeks?

When their main policy has been all over the news for a week?

Don't get me wrong. I would love for the Greens to be polling like this and for them to be driving towards a progressive alliance. I however would caution placing any store by one simple set of numbers.

Seems like a very odd poll. I know there's likely to be more than the headline movement, but even so.

Another thing to consider is that the Greens aren't a serious political party they're a club for middle class progressives, to indulge in various issues. Consider how much of a mess they've of running Brighton council, consider they're opposistion to HS2 and nuclear power two things that could make a huge difference in the fight against Climate Change and as for the Scottish Green they're just lap dogs of the SNP.

Interesting idea in that thread. Greens could be picking up the dustbin votes that the Lib Dems used to get till 2010 (and are trying to get back).

But it does feel like there are things happening that ought to help the Greens, to say the least. Probably a good showing coming in North Shropshire.

Seems to be a lot of this stuff. Labour came second in North Shropshire. Why are they supposed not to run? The party and leadership seem to be getting a lot of unfair stick.

Once Paterson resigned, it wasn't like Neil Hamilton any more. Can you remember Tim Smith, Tory MP for Beaconsfield who did retire over Cash for Questions? New candidate (Dominic Grieve) won the seat by nearly 14,000.

Most of these FBPE Twitter strategists have never been in a political party. A non aggression pact with the LDs will be advantageous in some seats but even then you don’t go into an election shouting about deals.

Yeah, there's far too much "add all the OK parties together". Voters are aware of tactical voting. They can do it if they want to. If you voted Lib Dem when Labour were the challengers, you probably don't wake after election day and say "Why did I not think of that?" You probably had Labour leaflets and bar charts through your door.