Mailwatch(ed) Forum

Rishi 'fundamentally disagrees with the decision and will appeal'.

They need to get it into their heads that, no, this is not a Lefty plot to thwart them and the judges aren't in on it. The vast majority or people just think what they're doing, as a whole, is shitty.

I don't doubt this is another battle in the culture wars but I do doubt whether it will win many votes. If you don't support these abhorrent actions now, surely you never will.

Time to break out the greatest hits for tomorrow's front page.

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:05 pm I don't doubt this is another battle in the culture wars but I do doubt whether it will win many votes. If you don't support these abhorrent actions now, surely you never will.

I think the recent announcement of the cost will deter a lot of "reasonable" people.

This'll go down well with the gammons

Some military families have been given just a week's notice to leave a former air base in Essex which is being turned into accommodation for asylum seekers, Sky News has been told.

Around 18 army families have been living on the site at Wethersfield and Sky News understands the Home Office plans to move asylum seekers in this summer.

In April, Braintree District Council lost a High Court bid to prevent the move.

It is rare for military families to speak out but such is the level of frustration, a member of one of the families living on the base agreed to speak to Sky News anonymously....

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/wethersf ... e-12912961

"The phrase I'd like to use probably contains a swear word. I think appalled - appalled is probably the nicer way to say it. Let down.

"They've railroaded everyone with this. I wish they'd have given us a choice and not made it feel so forced. If they'd had the conversations it would have been easier."

Turfing service families out of their homes at a moment's notice. And they were only living on a closed USAF base because of the nationwide shortage of service accommodation.

A Tory seat, too.

The Foreign Secretary's seat, no less. Surprised he couldn't pull rank on this one, but Sunak's probably more scared of Braverman.

She's losing the dressing room:

Steve Baker withdraws support for Braverman over grooming gangs rhetoric, says ally

Braverman has been vehemently criticised for characterising the issue of groups of men targeting vulnerable girls as a predominantly British-Pakistani problem, one based on different “cultural values”, a view contradicted by the Home Office’s own research.

An ally of Baker said he strongly objected to Braverman’s argument: “If she had said this is a problem predominantly carried out by white men in their own homes but that in some areas it was carried out by Pakistani men and covered up for political reasons that would have been fine.

“But she has heaped shame upon innocent men. It is not that she is stupid but that she is unwise.”

Pretty desperate stuff if losing someone like Baker’s approval is seen as anything approaching a bad thing.

Baker is doing the political equivalent of clearing his browser history.

Unfortunately, the Internet is forever.
Opponents will find plenty of whacky material featuring his quotes.

He's now shifted his interests from Brexit to promoting gas and oil.
A shrewd operator who won't die for a fading cause, but moves on to where the money's good.

I'm no mind-reader, but I'd guess he's working on the basis of
"The more discredited ministers, the more shadow cabinet vacancies"
Assuming he intends to contest the next election.
If not there's the Spectator, or Spiked.

Is the Home Office actually capable of not acting unlawfully?

Hundreds of modern slavery cases will be put on hold after the government admitted its own guidance for considering victims’ claims was unlawful – in a fresh blow to its “stop the boats” pledge.

The admission means the Home Office must stop refusing new claims until it draws up new instructions for officials, piling more pressure on the growing backlog of cases already taking an average of 18 months to decide...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 67378.html

No wonder even the headbangers are deserting her, Braverman has become far too toxic even for them.

The government changed Home Office guidance in January requiring claimants to prove they are victims by submitting third party evidence of modern slavery and trafficking. The move came after ministers claimed small boat migrants were “abusing” modern slavery protections to claim asylum – something the statistics watchdog found no evidence of.

The actual Home Secretary here. She thinks that people who get working visas aren't hard-working taxpayers.

Actual Home Secretary spending time writing trivial letters to the Leader of the Opposition. Isn't this a job for Greg Hands?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:17 pm The actual Home Secretary here. She thinks that people who get working visas aren't hard-working taxpayers.

Do we know Mr Modhi's view on this?

Doesn't matter. Since 2010 they've been running on headlines. Make the right noises, do nothing, blame someone for nixing your plans.

Have government ministers ever behaved in this way before?

It's puzzling.
First of all this whole sending letters thing - why not ask in a debate in the house or an essay in a friendly newspaper? Or even a PPB.
Secondly - the attitude is that of the opposition, not the government. The government has no automatic right to question the opposition, but it has the right to confront it in the house and other places - why aren't they doing that?

Often this would be the signal that a paper trail is being prepared, but I can't for the life of me see why, unless come the election we have 'I questioned Keir about his support for dangerous commie radicals but he never answered so he's one too...'

It's the (very) long campaign, I guess. It's a weak approach though. Usually they love to look to Australia on this stuff, but Scott Morrison lost loads of votes to Lib Dem types on this stuff.

davidjay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:53 pm Have government ministers ever behaved in this way before?

The Chief Secretary to the Treasury has written two letters to Rachel Reeves, which seem to have been filed away with offers of double glazing quotes.

It's very Goveish. Hey, look here, all I did was write a polite note asking for some very reasonable questions to be answered to my satisfaction and they ignored me (and by extension, you, dear voter).

They don't expect, or want, a reply. Hence the entire "if you're even bothered" tone. Also, it's why they don't ask it in parliament or in the TV studio, because what they really don't want is a reply along the lines of "you've got your facts all wrong". Just more performative posturing.

I recall this "make the forrins pay" failing quite recently.
Some obscure business concerning Mexicans and a wall.

What Rishi doesn't explain is what he will do if the forrin's payments don't cover the costs.
Rishi will be out of office when that happens.
But when his successors regain power, we'll return to managed decline.