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Even Sunak won’t want.

But I know the Americans expressed issues with his links to Russians a while back.

Youngian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:47 pm Someone make it stop

I'm amused that, on my laptop, the photo of Johnson is redacted with the message, "The following media contains potentially sensitive content". And it most certainly does.

satnav wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:12 pm I never realised that you could nominate yourself to be Secretary General of NATO, my careers teacher clearly knew jack shit.

Why not? I’m announcing my candidacy for the president of Wakanda. That was easy.

At least John Rentoul’s clickbait takes aren’t ideologically motivated, just a bit daft. Keir and Rishi both dislike Johnson is the hook.

Here's Bozo in the pandemic, tryiGCSE maths. This apparently was in August 2020, so not even that early.

State of this.

Didn’t Cameron and Clegg cancel Labour’s plan on Nuclear.

The world, quite understandably but inadvertently playing further in to Putin's hands, shat a brick when Fukushima happened. "Facts", eh?

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:02 pm Didn’t Cameron and Clegg cancel Labour’s plan on Nuclear.

Yep.

Primarily a Lib Dem thing but Cameron could have had kept nuclear if he wanted. He had more than 5 times the number of MPs as they did. He prioritized other stuff like free schools.

Bozo now doing reheated Norman Tebbit from 35 years ago.

Johnson is now talking about the BBC. He says he owes everything to the BBC: “They launched me,” he says (referring to his appearances on Have I Got News for You). But when he goes to BBC studios they are full of people, while independent networks have far fewer members of staff, he says. He implies they are more efficient, and he says the independents have been “cannibalised” by the BBC.

I see the grand shithose has broken cover and finally come out with a bet-hedging “I’d find it difficult to vote for” line about Sunak’s deal. Which is 100% to see how many people flock to his cause rather than any qualms about doing anything. Because if no one flocks to his cause and everyone follows Sunak, he’ll be voting for it faster than he pulls up his trousers when discovered with his latest off piste romance…

Sunak's won. Virtually everyone can see the public wants to move on from constant fucking about.

Bozo's going to be left with the equivalent of John Redwood's leadership challenge team. Orr like Tony Benn in 1988 trying to take out Neil Kinnock and ending up splitting the Campaign Group.

I suspect a vast majority of the voting public have had enough of Spaffers "wizzard dorm' room pranks" and wants to get on with grown up national reconstruction.

Whether Sunak can present himself as capable enough remains to be seen.
He has a coupe of significant wins under his belt: The Windsor framework, and a few old ERGers deciding to STFU.
In that he's delivered more than the Spartans managed in 6 years.

Meanwhile Sir Kier is riding high in the polls, having gained his own share of wins to reform his party.
He's in the process of unveiling his policies for the next election.
The print media's attempts to savage these policies are an unknown factor.

However, poor old Uncle Rupert has some problems of his own stateside; his Domnion Vs Fox difficulty threatening to soak up half his personal fortune.


It's very possible that the next election will be quite unlike any recent one:
Two grown up front-running candidates.
A relatively muted print media.

his Domnion Vs Fox difficulty threatening to soak up half his personal fortune.

This is better than I thought. Haven’t followed this too closely as it’s Murdoch caught doing stuff we expect him to be doing.

This makes more sense now - Johnson must have got wind of what was coming, so the attempt to say Sue Grey’s inquiry was discredited (which it isn’t) because of her new job was because they were going to try and claim the standards committee inquiry was based on it (which it isn’t) and it was thus also discredited (which it isn’t).

And then, bizarrely, Johnson has also claimed the initial report exonerates him (which it doesn’t), but if the report was discredited (which it isn’t) that exoneration (which it isn’t) would be worthless anyway.

So a lie based on a lie based on a lie, topped off with a contradiction that would be self-defeating if it were actually true

Even for him, this is quite the convoluted performance

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... itics-live

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:28 pm

his Domnion Vs Fox difficulty threatening to soak up half his personal fortune.

This is better than I thought. Haven’t followed this too closely as it’s Murdoch caught doing stuff we expect him to be doing.

it seems like another example where the Yanks don't fuck about in situations where the Limeys would turn a blind eye to "a decent sort of chap doing what he does".

Now admittedly, the Yanks don't offer everybody protection under their laws, but fuck with their businesses and you're going down.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 6:40 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:28 pm

his Domnion Vs Fox difficulty threatening to soak up half his personal fortune.

This is better than I thought. Haven’t followed this too closely as it’s Murdoch caught doing stuff we expect him to be doing.

it seems like another example where the Yanks don't fuck about in situations where the Limeys would turn a blind eye to "a decent sort of chap doing what he does".

Now admittedly, the Yanks don't offer everybody protection under their laws, but fuck with their businesses and you're going down.

What was it someone said on here? We're perfectly relaxed about the right sort of chap making the wrong sort of money.

Surely time to remove the question mark from the title of this thread. Yes, he's worse than even Thatcher and Truss, certainly in terms of long term, lasting damage to so much of this country and its people.

If I were a senior influencer in the Conservative Party(which of course I'm not) I'd be pressing the case very powerfully that it is now time to throw Johnson to the wolves. Hanging on to him because he just might retain a large enough residue of his vote-winning "charisma" to save them from inevitable electoral oblivion is surely a mug's game. The man is totally toxic, and there is surely no way back now for him, or his career. After all, Johnson had no qualms whatsoever in brutally casting out sensible Tories like Grieve, Clarke, Gauke and others for not supporting his Brexit insanity, so why should Tories show him mercy?

More than thirty years on from Thatcher, the country still bears the scars in terms of a loss of community and destruction of public services. In another thirty years we will still be suffering from this clown's time in terms of social cohesion, bigotry and the acceptance of corruption in public life. She did it because her voters would make money. He did it because his voters thought it was a bit of a laugh.

I remember when the "funny" MPs, such as Tony Banks and Jerry Hayes were the ones you kept as far away from power as possible.