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What process people to make excuses for Sunak’s inability to interact with the “general public”? They don’t know him and are unlikely to meet him, he’s a grown man in an important position, yet the gullible feel the need to defend him, I just don’t get it.
Also, given his previous, e.g the putting petrol in the Kia incident, the 4 different loaves, the inability to use contactless, you have to wonder what his handlers are playing at, and allowing him to appear out of touch, yet again

Watchman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:53 pm What process people to make excuses for Sunak’s inability to interact with the “general public”? They don’t know him and are unlikely to meet him, he’s a grown man in an important position, yet the gullible feel the need to defend him, I just don’t get it.
Also, given his previous, e.g the putting petrol in the Kia incident, the 4 different loaves, the inability to use contactless, you have to wonder what his handlers are playing at, and allowing him to appear out of touch, yet again

Point the first - they'll defend anything he says and does, because the people who voted the Tories in know deep down that they were wrong, but they'll never admit it.

Point the second - his team are as bad as he is. Partly out of arrogance at thinking they can do whatever they like, partly because if you were an ambitious spad/spin doctor, who would you currently want to work for, and which party would you not be touching with a punting pole?

North Yorkshire, South Norfolk, Uxbridge, Maidenhead, Cotswolds. Not one of them had to work to get into parliament.

Dan would be explaining the bad optics in forensic detail if it was Ed Miliband looking gaffe prone.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:23 pm North Yorkshire, South Norfolk, Uxbridge, Maidenhead, Cotswolds. Not one of them had to work to get into parliament.

And think they’d be rather good at running the country. All good chaps.

Youngian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:12 am Dan would be explaining the bad optics in forensic detail if it was Ed Miliband looking gaffe prone.

I'm told: the classic untraceable reference - handy when dissembling.

I'm told these people who arrive in boats get a free house, four bedrooms, three bogs, a 5 rung hob - the works.
I hear they get free cars too - Jaguars.

I'm not entirely sure, in Hodges world, when we're 'allowed' to criticise these politicians.

I see someone had too much sherry over Xmas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:14 pm I see someone had too much sherry over Xmas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

Either that or went for a run through the skunk farm.


Seriously, expect all manner of dirty tricks form the client media.
* Mail to revive Beergate "The judge bought his story, but we know better eh readers!".
* "Donkey farm millionaire" to become a dirty word.
* GB news to lay off the culture war and turn its guns on Labour full-time.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:14 pm I see someone had too much sherry over Xmas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

She’s right that Sunak is the best/only card they have. He polls way ahead of the party.

Does she mean they’re going to win, or is she intending just to shut the loons up?

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:14 pm I see someone had too much sherry over Xmas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

Nad’s in the shed with the paint thinners

Ex-Cabinet minister Nadine Dorries warned Mr Sunak yesterday if the polls keep sliding, Boris Johnson would be in Downing Street next year.

It is very hard to see how Rishi can restore the parties credibility in less than two years. Next year is likely to see a recession especially if the war in Ukraine continues and the Tories fail to deal with the various strikes currently taking place. Even when we finally come out of recession it will take a long time for most people to feel the benefits of any economic upturn.

I would have thought most Tories will be in full panic mode by May of newt year after the local elections. By then there might just be enough desperate Tories willing to give Johnson one more roll of the dice.

I don’t think they could seriously swap PM again - it smacks so badly of entitlement that to do it for a third time would just destroy them.

I think their biggest issue is they desperately want to frame things now as “greedy scroungers vs the people”. But their increasing problem is they’re running out of “the people” because they’re having to attack on so many fronts, and groups that they are really struggling to throw shit at without it immediately backfiring.

Unless Sunak pulls decent pay settlements out of his arse - and he seems to have chosen this hill to die on - that’s only going to get worse.

I think they're going to rely heavily on survivorship bias (we got through, couldn't have been that bad). That or the old "vote Kier, get Corbyn" (or Sturgeon, or Adams, or even Thunberg the way things are going) reds under the bed thing.

Oh yeah, and disenfranchising minorities and young people.

So basically, the current enemies are:
Ethnic minorities
The young
Europeans
Asylum seekers and immigrants
Postal workers
Nurses
Ambulance drivers and paramedics
Train drivers
Rail workers
Bus drivers by
Border force
Teachers
Driving instructors
Highway workers
University staff
Junior doctors
Civil servants

The list is insane - and highly dangerous for the Tories as less than 12 months ago most of these groups were being put on a pedestal as key workers and the bravest of souls for being on the pandemic front line.

They may wish we’d forget that, but people remember who was there holding their mum or dad’s hand when they couldn’t make it, or who brought their food when they couldn’t leave the house, or who taught their kids over zoom.

Crabcakes wrote:So basically, the current enemies are:
Ethnic minorities
The young
Europeans
Asylum seekers and immigrants
Postal workers
Nurses
Ambulance drivers and paramedics
Train drivers
Rail workers
Bus drivers by
Border force
Teachers
Driving instructors
Highway workers
University staff
Junior doctors
Civil servants

The list is insane - and highly dangerous for the Tories as less than 12 months ago most of these groups were being put on a pedestal as key workers and the bravest of souls for being on the pandemic front line.

They may wish we’d forget that, but people remember who was there holding their mum or dad’s hand when they couldn’t make it, or who brought their food when they couldn’t leave the house, or who taught their kids over zoom.

Basically, ALL public sector workers are the enemy of the hard working British public as far as the Tories and their press wing is concerned. The commentary on Mail Online confirms this. But it's not just hatred of the ropes, it's visceral PERSONAL hatred of the people in these roles . There is, of course, one major exception and that is the military. All military personnel are saintly without exception and anyone suggesting otherwise is the lowest of the low.

*the roles*

A few more.

Rich people
Poor people
Clever people
Arty people
Techie people
People with low ambitions
People who want it all
Students
Teachers
Academia in general
Professionals *

*This one always gets me, when some qualified or experienced person offers their view on whatever, and Mailites will chime in with "oh excuse me, Mr fancy pants lawyer, not all of us could afford to go to university, some of us had kids to raise**..."

**Very funny if they've been railing against teenage mums. Also, almost without exception they'll be from the age of student grants and no tuition fees.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:33 am

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:14 pm I see someone had too much sherry over Xmas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

Either that or went for a run through the skunk farm.


Seriously, expect all manner of dirty tricks form the client media.
* Mail to revive Beergate "The judge bought his story, but we know better eh readers!".
* "Donkey farm millionaire" to become a dirty word.
* GB news to lay off the culture war and turn its guns on Labour full-time.

Considering that Beergate was a total disaster I'm not sure why they would repeat it.

Re Rich people; there’s some rich people that are acceptable, and some that are not