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Oboogie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:21 pm The Tories reckon the BBC are finished, it's all working out very well for them.

Or maybe not and Andrea Jenkyns is a halfwit. I’m not convinced taking the culture war to Gary Lineker is part of a cunning trap to close down the BBC.

Bargain Hunt, as far as the eye can see.

Brave new world and that.

Colin Murray, polymath radio presenter has puled his "Fighting Talk" sport entertainment quiz.

Good guy, almost always on the right side of issues.

The tories wanted Lineker to "shut up and talk ball".

Instead they've created a latter-day Matthias Sindelaar

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/02/1 ... the-nazis/

Also

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/01/1 ... paper-man/

Match of the Day will be shown on Ceefax

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/ma ... 1CeME-LFRc

AAnd, before I sigh onn

Youngian wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:41 pm

Oboogie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:21 pm The Tories reckon the BBC are finished, it's all working out very well for them.

Or maybe not and Andrea Jenkyns is a halfwit. I’m not convinced taking the culture war to Gary Lineker is part of a cunning trap to close down the BBC.

It's turning a lot of people against the BBC. The Tories have, so far, been unable to privatise the BBC because the BBC is more popular than the Tories, any reduction in public support for the BBC is precisely what the Tories need.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:51 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:41 pm

Oboogie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:21 pm The Tories reckon the BBC are finished, it's all working out very well for them.

Or maybe not and Andrea Jenkyns is a halfwit. I’m not convinced taking the culture war to Gary Lineker is part of a cunning trap to close down the BBC.

It's turning a lot of people against the BBC. The Tories have, so far, been unable to privatise the BBC because the BBC is more popular than the Tories, any reduction in public support for the BBC is precisely what the Tories need.

Is it?

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Is it?

It's upset a lot of us who have defended the BBC in the past. So in that sense Oboogie is right. Does that make it easier to privatise? Not sure. It could go either way. Maybe lots of us think "fuck em", maybe we fight harder.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:15 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:21 am

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:46 pm And they've cancelled Attenborough.


What a shower of shits.

In fairness that story seems to false.

Not false, complicated.
The BBC has declined to air a programme on climate change, which was not part of the main series. The main point stands.

That's a fair way of putting it.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:27 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Is it?

It's upset a lot of us who have defended the BBC in the past. So in that sense Oboogie is right. Does that make it easier to privatise? Not sure. It could go either way. Maybe lots of us think "fuck em", maybe we fight harder.

I'm not seeing any signs of people fighting harder, what I am seeing is lots of people joining the Tory pile on to the BBC.
#Defundthe BBC has always been dominated by Tories and the Far-Right, this week has seen a surge of people who are neither, many of whom would describe themselves as anti-Tory adding their voices to the campaign.
It's how Tories have always run their privatisations, undermine the public service so it doesn't function satisfactorily, then point at it and say, "Look, it doesn't work, it's not fit for purpose, it needs to be scrapped and replaced".
That's how they persuaded people it was a good idea to privatise the utilities and the railways and that's what they're doing with the NHS, education and the BBC.
The Brexit campaign was similar, undermine the EU so that lots of people who'd never given it a moment's thought got angry about lies and half truths and lent their support to the Farages and Johnsons.

What I want the anti-Tory people now demanding the privatisation of the BBC to answer is:
1. What do you think the Tories will replace it with? Do you think they will choose an owner who is a) pro-Tory b) pro-Labour or c) impartial?
2. What have the Tories done that has convinced you that they can be trusted to put national interests ahead of their own?

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm Is it?

Yes

I think Phil Moorhouse (“A Different Bias” )has it right. Worth listening to all he has to say.

I'd like to believe the Tories are not that clever and not that stupid. I think that by this stage their only concern is survival, making sure Edward Leigh has an opponent for the next leadership contest.

But yes, burn down the Beeb on the way out? Yeah.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:27 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Is it?

It's upset a lot of us who have defended the BBC in the past. So in that sense Oboogie is right. Does that make it easier to privatise? Not sure. It could go either way. Maybe lots of us think "fuck em", maybe we fight harder.

I don't buy this makes it easier to privatise the BBC people are siding with Linekar against the BBC. I'm not seeing much evidence that people are demanding the BBC be privatised.

We need to ban the use of the phrase dead cat.

Why? It's useful and appropriate.

Peoples anger is understandable, as is their current inability to separate BBC, the institution from BBC, the Tory mouthpiece. That will subside in the coming days but Richard Sharp’s gig, which was already increasingly untenable, needs to be torched.

A fish rots etc etc.

Except it isn't they don't want to hide the boat policy. They want the boat policy to be front and centre to show how tough they are, how they're not going to let pesky things liek humna rights get in the way. The government weren't hiding this from us far from it.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:55 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:27 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Is it?

It's upset a lot of us who have defended the BBC in the past. So in that sense Oboogie is right. Does that make it easier to privatise? Not sure. It could go either way. Maybe lots of us think "fuck em", maybe we fight harder.

I don't buy this makes it easier to privatise the BBC people are siding with Linekar against the BBC. I'm not seeing much evidence that people are demanding the BBC be privatised.

Look at Twitter, read the Tweets about Lineker.
Now count the Tweets attacking the BBC.
Then count the Tweets attacking the Tories for their assault on the BBC - if you can find any.
I see they've now got 'Jimmy Saville' trending along with attacks on the BBC and Starmer for 'letting Saville get away with it'.
The Tories think they've won, it remains to be seen if they are right.