Mailwatch(ed) Forum

Dalem Lake wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:15 pm It sounded like a high velocity, highly accurate missile that contained a hell of whack to me, not something that Hamas would have.

But Russia does.
Iran does.
Hezbollah claims it does.

But they would all do more damage...

Yug wrote:In reply to Rosvanian's post above I will point out that the situation in Gaza is extremely confused - no-one knows exactly what is going on, both sides are pumping out propaganda, and the reasons behind the current flare-up are extremely complex and a bit above my pay-grade. So, instead of posting what may well turn out to be utter bollocks, I'm taking a lead from Mark Twain:

It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and have the opinion confirmed.

There are a lot of people out there, on the internet and in the media, who would do well to heed those words themselves.

Not having a go at anyone here, I'm just fed-up with the internet being awash with speculative drivel, lies and propaganda, and unhinged bollocks.

I completely agree. What I'm struggling with is the complete, unconditional support for Israel by the right wing press, the government and the bloody Labour party to the point where anyone suggesting that there may, possibly, be an alternative view, is almost gleefully being portrayed as anti semitic and a terrorist sympathiser. I'm fed up with it. But, as you say, it's probably best keep to one's trap shut .

Labour has not given unconditional support. Look at Starmer's statement.

Even Sunak has been a little nuanced and the SNP and the LibDems are opposed.

It doesn't help to misrepresent their positions.

Here is Starmer asking that medicines, food and fuel be let into Gaza.

This is the shite that Corbyn encouraged...

I haven’t thought of Private Eye as an explicitly left wing publication for some years, but in the present climate this is pure, gibbering communist insanity.

https://x.com/privateeyenews/status/171 ... 21797?s=46

@Philip Marlow Many people oppose the butchering of civilians, not all of them are Communists.

I don't think it's communist insanity, but it will certainly be greeted as such, which I think/hope is the point being made

Well aye.

Honestly it’s my own damn fault. I’ve largely been staying away from social media since this kicked off. Between the ‘Ah yes, dead Jews, a terrible shame. Anyway…’ types and the people posting roaring endorsements of ethnic cleansing I was beginning to suffer a serious sense of humour failure.

Until yesterday, there seemed to have been an agreed "allies" position. "Right to defend itself, within international law, don't comment on pretty blatant breaks, let America talk to Israel". But that France broke with America on Gaza aid, and the UK abstained. This looks less like a masterplan now, if ever it did.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:34 pm This is the shite that Corbyn encouraged...

Now being investigated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-d ... e-67161730

Police are to investigate whether a former MP committed a hate crime in a social media post about Israel.

Chris Williamson, ex-Labour MP for Derby North posted on X, formerly Twitter, on Tuesday night that "Israel has forfeited any right to exist".

Derbyshire Police said they had received "multiple reports" about the comment.

I'll take a wild guess that isn't a crime. But God, aren't Labour well rid?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:15 pm I'll take a wild guess that isn't a crime. But God, aren't Labour well rid?

And how many times will Labour have to deny that he's still on-board?

(See Corbyn and Abbot).

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:52 pm

"Woah, fuxake lads, steady on". I remember when that wasn't a controversial thing to say.

Omid Djalili (mentioned up-thread) has pulled out of a performance he was due to give in Market Drayton, with the venue citing it was as a result of personal threats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-67162627

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:15 pm I'll take a wild guess that isn't a crime. But God, aren't Labour well rid?

The European Commission regard "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination" as anti-Semitic, but I guess Chris Williamson could challenge that.
https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-a ... emitism_en

Oboogie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:32 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:15 pm I'll take a wild guess that isn't a crime. But God, aren't Labour well rid?

The European Commission regard "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination" as anti-Semitic, but I guess Chris Williamson could challenge that.
https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-a ... emitism_en

He's also could be accused of supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation by sharing their aims and objectives - Hamas also have the eradication of Israel in their charter.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:54 pm

"Woah, fuxake lads, steady on". I remember when that wasn't a controversial thing to say.

I don't think Private Eye's tone works that well with war crimes. It's more suitable for Jeffrey Archer-type news. Of course, Private Eye's investigative journalism is often of the highest seriously, but it wouldn't necessarily put dead babies or whatever on the cover.