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"Peace with Hitler to preserve the empire" wasn't an unknown opinion on the Tory Right back in the day. Alan Clark argued that. John Charmley wrote a best selling book that argued it.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:31 pm Churchill was a woke globalist. Here we go again. Farage will expel him and do his stock quote that people like him aren’t welcome. But strangely keeps attracting this dross.

Oswald Moseley would always have a heckler at the start of his speeches demanding that all Jews or Romani or whoever should be killed. He would than loudly and clearly instruct his minders to eject the guy from the hall, saying he didn't want any of that. And then carrying on with a more subtle version of kill the bastards.

Fargle did this back in the run-up to 2015, and the referendum. Seems he's still doing it. I'm not saying he copied it from Moseley, just that it's exactly the same tactic.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:54 pm "Peace with Hitler to preserve the empire" wasn't an unknown opinion on the Tory Right back in the day. Alan Clark argued that. John Charmley wrote a best selling book that argued it.

Enoch Powell was almost in this camp as well. Charmley’s books are well written and insightful until you reach his conclusions and wonder if he’s off his rocker.

I read Churchill: The End of Glory about 30 years ago, and I can't actually remember reading the mad bit about 1941, even though I know it's in it. I can just remember a very detailed but also very readable biography.

I'm trying to remember why I bought Churchill: The End of Glory. I'm sure it was reduced, but so are lots of books. I was probably I don't now) thinking of its controversy in a "be good to challenge myself" way. Well, I got a very good read out of it, and I can't remember reading the controversial bit.

I did the same sort of thing with Eminent Churchillians by Andrew Roberts. I could barely do 3 pages of that. Andrew Roberts is the reason I gave up reading books "to challenge myself".

Read Charmley’s biographies for an MA module on Churchill and British global strategy. He convincingly strips away the myths about Churchill (the lone prophet Vs foolish Chamberlain) while not being a hatchet job.
Churchill had three battles from the backbenches with Baldwin and Chamberlain; one I can’t recall, Indian independence and investing limited defence resources on a new fleet of dreadnoughts over Chamberlain’s pish ideas to build new fangled fighter aircraft and funny electronic blip machines that can detect enemy planes from a distance. He lost all three battles and then had a cordial and supportive relationship with Chamberlain.

Heavyweight policy analysis here from Farage. Never seen this variant of "my tax cut will pay for itself" before. That something like £1500 tax cut for everyone who earns over £20,000 a year. That's an enormous amount of people, the big majority of them taxed via PAYE, which costs the state a tiny amount.

Has he been chatting with Madame Le Stylo? Farage clearly knows where the elites are hiding the secret chest of money.
Will it be as popular as Ed Davey’s toothbrush pledge?

Couldn’t volunteers carry out some vetting or are they all too thick?

No money to spend on due dilligence? Bullshit, there's a ton of money sloshing around there, it's just out of plain sight.

The party is just hobby politics. If your hobby is hating people not like you.

Fuck a duck. If Isabel Oakeshott, whom Tice is regularly shagging, can be that critical of her squeeze’s hobby horse, is there really much hope for the project to displace tbe Tories ?

It's a vehicle for getting the 'right' people into power. So what if they're useless, it's all about getting the power. Then making sure nobody can take it back.

Yet again, positioning themselves as Mr Smith Goes to Washington, the poor but honest little guys battling against them high-falutin' city types and their fancy ways.

I think Oakeshott is being rather economical with the truth. Many of Reform's policy look like they are straight out of Tufton Street so I would imagine various right wing think tanks are supplying Reform with staff in order to promote their causes.

I think Oakeshott is being rather economical with the truth.

Well she has form. A lonely person I’d guess and deservedly so.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:08 pm

I think Oakeshott is being rather economical with the truth.

Well she has form. A lonely person I’d guess and deservedly so.

Lonely ? She’s enjoying Big Dick Tice.

They look more like a deal than a happy couple.

Yebbut far right foreigners are scary, Nigel’s salt of the earth.

'Mean-spirited' Wetherspoons kicks out brass band performing old war songs after D Day event https://www.gbnews.com/news/wetherspoon ... -day-event

Did they upset Hitler appeaser Reform voters?