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Major's rose garden speech re: "the bastards".

I’m sure a number of posters predicted this Tory civil war scenario under a coming Johnson premiership, accurately in 2016. Not that you had to be Russel Grant.

Imagine a Labour government so devoid of talent that Geoff Hoon was the leadership front runner

satnav wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:26 pm Some Tory party members are losing their shit on Twitter demanding that the party should publish a list of all the MPs who have submitted no confidence letters so that they can be deselected.

Fuck me, when did Momentum set up a splinter group in the Tories?!

Whilst I think Johnson will survive the vote I think the aftermath of the vote will be extremely damaging. He has already hinted that he is going to reward those ministers who remained loyal which would suggests promotions for the likes of Dorries and Shapps. The flipside of promoting loyalists will inevitably mean some ministers will be sacked or demoted which will only lead to more turmoil. I wonder if the likes of Hunt could be punished by losing his job as head of the Health select committee.

Christ, Dorris promoted!!! Just think what job that could potentially be

It seems to me that the fact that bringing down Johnson would also mean an end to the sheer obscenity of venal fuckwits like Dorries, Patel, Coffey,, Kwarteng, Schnapps, and Raab in actual cabinet posts is yet another reason to vote to be rid of the fucker.

The fact you now have 2 anti-brexit articles in a week from former brexiteers shows it’s absolutely falling apart. Businesses are blaming it openly for the half-term travel chaos, and people will very much take note that things weren’t like that previously - and they would have noticed sooner but for covid.

Johnson can’t own it and not be responsible for it simultaneously.

Remember that anything over 51.9% is a huge mandate, of course…

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetor ... moved.html

His greatest (s)hits are a depressing read, and encapsulate one of the many things I loathe about this government - their tendency to do the bare minimum and expect to be congratulated for it, while whining that the opposition didn't do a thing. Well, one, they're not in power, and two, shitting on the carpet to distract from the pissy smell technically works but isn't really acceptable.

How many do we think will vote against? I'm going for 84.

So earlier I said I reckoned Johnson would blow it for himself by being arrogant and unrepentant. Anyway, this happened:

I reckon that if 80 MPs have said they will vote against him in public another 40 might voted against him in the privacy of the committee room so I'll go with 120.

I think it’s going to be close - close enough that it will be terminal regardless, but also paralysing in the meantime while they try and rejig the rules to allow another attempt as soon as the Wakefield election results come in.

And all the while they’ll be not so subtly briefing against each other.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:18 pm I think it’s going to be close - close enough that it will be terminal regardless, but also paralysing in the meantime while they try and rejig the rules to allow another attempt as soon as the Wakefield election results come in.

And all the while they’ll be not so subtly briefing against each other.

I'm pretty confident that unless Johnson actually loses the VONC, he's staying put even if it's a win by just one vote. His sense of manifest destiny will ensure that he'll have to be taken from Downing Street in a straight jacket when he's eventually disposed. And in the meantime, expect Tory civil war.

A win but by a small margin and Johnson hanging on like the fetid limpet he is is, I suspect, the best possible result. I want him gone obviously - but I want him gone after the humiliation of losing his seat at a GE and seeing the Tory majority wiped out, in no small part to another 2 years or so of damaging in-fighting and backstabbing while he purges anyone even semi-competent meaning any rebuild will take years and years longer.

Bozo super fan Peter Bone predicts 160 votes against the PM

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:53 pm Bozo super fan Peter Bone predicts 160 votes against the PM

Damage limitation time. I still don't think it will reach three figures.

davidjay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:15 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:53 pm Bozo super fan Peter Bone predicts 160 votes against the PM

Damage limitation time. I still don't think it will reach three figures.

You’d think so but

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