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Perhaps I'm missing something here? I don't think it is unreasonable for Sarwar to state that Putin would welcome anything that destabilises his enemies, including a nearby nuclear power such as the UK. I'm sure he was absolutely delighted with the outcome of the Brexit referendum.

No-brainer.

Here's the clever one from the Corbyn era. Maybe the government should take over the food supply, John, that always works.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ing-crisis

He said controlling prices was vital to reduce inflation, in an open letter backed by 12 leftwing economists, academics, and activists. They include the author Naomi Klein, the economist Ann Pettifor, who correctly predicted the 2007-08 financial crisis, and the social geographer Prof Danny Dorling.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:58 pm Here's the clever one from the Corbyn era. Maybe the government should take over the food supply, John, that always works.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ing-crisis

He said controlling prices was vital to reduce inflation, in an open letter backed by 12 leftwing economists, academics, and activists. They include the author Naomi Klein, the economist Ann Pettifor, who correctly predicted the 2007-08 financial crisis, and the social geographer Prof Danny Dorling.

Wasn't one of the central tennants of Tony Benn's alternative economic strategy?

This didn’t lead to vendors halting production. Is that because they allowed prices to keep up with inflation? Butter and electricity to name but two products I’ve noticed rose 30 percent over two months. That doesn’t sound like keeping up with inflation but getting away with profiteering as huge swathes of the public can’t do percentages. You need every tool you can lay your hands on to prevent becoming a high inflation basket case economy. Unfortunately John doesn’t want to do the hard work of telling workers and home owners that they may have to swallow some nasty medicine. Just blame the fat cats

Although such an intervention appears significantly out of step with modern convention, successive Labour and Conservative governments have used price controls to keep a lid on the soaring cost of living; with a national board and later a commission to impose limits for wages, rents, dividends and the price of basic foodstuffs and other essentials.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:00 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:58 pm Here's the clever one from the Corbyn era. Maybe the government should take over the food supply, John, that always works.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ing-crisis

He said controlling prices was vital to reduce inflation, in an open letter backed by 12 leftwing economists, academics, and activists. They include the author Naomi Klein, the economist Ann Pettifor, who correctly predicted the 2007-08 financial crisis, and the social geographer Prof Danny Dorling.

Wasn't one of the central tennants of Tony Benn's alternative economic strategy?

Not quite, Benn was nearer to Thatcher than Callaghan on incomes policy. And was probably right by the time the government was telling Fords not to reward their workers with a bit extra in the pay packet after a bumper sales years. Although inflation fell rapidly in the Callaghan era.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:14 pm This didn’t lead to vendors halting production. Is that because they allowed prices to keep up with inflation? Butter and electricity to name but two products I’ve noticed rose 30 percent over two months. That doesn’t sound like keeping up with inflation but getting away with profiteering as huge swathes of the public can’t do percentages. You need every tool you can lay your hands on to prevent becoming a high inflation basket case economy. Unfortunately John doesn’t want to do the hard work of telling workers and home owners that they may have to swallow some nasty medicine. Just blame the fat cats

Although such an intervention appears significantly out of step with modern convention, successive Labour and Conservative governments have used price controls to keep a lid on the soaring cost of living; with a national board and later a commission to impose limits for wages, rents, dividends and the price of basic foodstuffs and other essentials.

Inflation fell in May, month to month, though of course the annual rate went up. So I don't think things are quite as bad as that. Best solution , as it nearly always is, give the poor more money now.

The people who make butter or whatever will be having rising costs, so I don't think we can say that's profiteering. Fuel though is a different matter, and McDonnell's within his rights there.

How about xenophobic Tory voters take some responsibility for the mess they created? No over 50s will return to the workforce to help Labour’s better Brexit out of a hole. Especially Leave voters.


His boss is going for some populist Bennite protectionism that her predecessor John McDonnell never publicly advocated. As he knew he’d be laughed out the room.

Reminds me of Benn as Minister for Technology saying that Philips could only take over the ailing Pye company if they continued to make televisions in Lowestoft. Rachel Reeves would have probably gone further and told them to move the factory to County Durham.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:49 pm Reminds me of Benn as Minister for Technology saying that Philips could only take over the ailing Pye company if they continued to make televisions in Lowestoft. Rachel Reeves would have probably gone further and told them to move the factory to County Durham.

Which is where Cello make their TV sets today... I didn't know that about Philips and Pye, I have learned something today

I read it on wiki.

In the end it was sold to Sanyo, just as the Bush factory in Ernesettle was sold to Toshiba.

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:59 am How about xenophobic Tory voters take some responsibility for the mess they created? No over 50s will return to the workforce to help Labour’s better Brexit out of a hole. Especially Leave voters.

His boss is going for some populist Bennite protectionism that her predecessor John McDonnell never publicly advocated. As he knew he’d be laughed out the room.

Why are we hitting her with a fish for this?

Why are we hitting her with a fish for this?

Its a bit harsh as Rachel’s an adept electoral strategist who knows what she’s doing. And I know why she has to spout corner shop populist economics she doesn’t believe in.

Seems the long in the writing Forde Report is due to be given to the NEC tomorrow. Cue Trot outrage.

My worry is that they'll use this to push their stabbed in the back myth.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:19 pm My worry is that they'll use this to push their stabbed in the back myth.

Seems like everybody's been stabbed in that back in 2022.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:19 pm My worry is that they'll use this to push their stabbed in the back myth.

Well, of course they will. They were never going to do anything else. Nobody that matters believes a word of it, though. The Trots are now, effectively, completely irrelevant.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:24 am

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:19 pm My worry is that they'll use this to push their stabbed in the back myth.

Well, of course they will. They were never going to do anything else. Nobody that matters believes a word of it, though. The Trots are now, effectively, completely irrelevant.

If by some rare chance a voter is aware of this report, they’ll be pushing the ‘Corbyn’s responsible’ reality. Due to him being in charge.

The Forde Report didn't make all that much impression, really. The force was in the idea it was being covered up.