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Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:51 pm
by Andy McDandy
Presumably chucking packets of bacon at mosques is a bit passe for him?

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:54 pm
by Philip Marlow
It’s a bit gauche all told. I’m sure I could find someone on Etsy who’d run me up an al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades t-shirt, but I’m not going to wander round Golders Green or turn up at Kabbalat Shabbat service wearing it.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:36 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Andy McDandy wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:51 pm Presumably chucking packets of bacon at mosques is a bit passe for him?
No he wouldn't look I follow Tomos I don't always agree with him but he's ok and he can pretty thoughtful actually.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:37 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Philip Marlow wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 5:34 pm I vouch not for the collector, but this is quite the collection.



My joint favourites are the one in which he describes a small demo as ‘The Cardiff Intifada’ and the one about a possibly funny look he might’ve gotten from ‘the Muslim bloke who works in this cafe.’
Do you think picking on someone with severe autism is a good look? Oh and nice comment calling him to beaten up btl.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:04 am
by Andy McDandy
Autism or not, he's just another edgelord trying to provoke people. And hiding behind disabilities is a really shitty thing to do.

Second, I saw no desire to see him get beaten up. More a desire to grow the fuck up.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:50 am
by Crabcakes
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:37 pm Do you think picking on someone with severe autism is a good look? Oh and nice comment calling him to beaten up btl.
Do you think picking on people and using severe autism as an excuse is a good look?

If he’s aware he may have a different interpretation of what’s appropriate behaviour, he should also have the sense to ask his community whether what he’s doing is OK if he’s unsure. And If he isn’t aware, he’s putting himself in danger and his community - i.e. you - should talk to him about it.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:42 am
by Killer Whale
Getting away, for the moment, from the shock news that some people on Twitter can be idiots either all or part of the time, this piece by Freedland in the Guardian reminds us of the fundamentals of the situation. Maybe it can be dismissed as feeble, typical Guardian both-sidesism, but it's well worth a read.
There is a yawning gap between how the world sees Israel and how Israelis see themselves. If only each could see through the other’s eyes
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nniversary

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:53 am
by The Weeping Angel
Crabcakes wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:50 am
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:37 pm Do you think picking on someone with severe autism is a good look? Oh and nice comment calling him to beaten up btl.
Do you think picking on people and using severe autism as an excuse is a good look?

If he’s aware he may have a different interpretation of what’s appropriate behaviour, he should also have the sense to ask his community whether what he’s doing is OK if he’s unsure. And If he isn’t aware, he’s putting himself in danger and his community - i.e. you - should talk to him about it.
Sorry you don't pick on people with severe autism. Those tweets we're written ten years ago btw.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:03 am
by The Weeping Angel
Andy McDandy wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:04 am Autism or not, he's just another edgelord trying to provoke people. And hiding behind disabilities is a really shitty thing to do.

Second, I saw no desire to see him get beaten up. More a desire to grow the fuck up.
Those tweets were written ten years ago Andy as for the desire to see him beaten up

quirked up white boy Paul Newman
@materassassino
·
Nov 13, 2023
Someone should beat him up, but just because he's an annoying little toerag
Pretty clear to me. Yeah let's go kick the autistic person's head in because his views run contrary to us.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:22 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Can someone explain to me what's going on here? I don't have a clue - is it really as trivial as it seems?

Close to kittens...

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:09 pm
by MisterMuncher
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:03 am
Andy McDandy wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:04 am Autism or not, he's just another edgelord trying to provoke people. And hiding behind disabilities is a really shitty thing to do.

Second, I saw no desire to see him get beaten up. More a desire to grow the fuck up.
Those tweets were written ten years ago Andy as for the desire to see him beaten up

quirked up white boy Paul Newman
@materassassino
·
Nov 13, 2023
Someone should beat him up, but just because he's an annoying little toerag
Pretty clear to me. Yeah let's go kick the autistic person's head in because his views run contrary to us.
It's pretty clear that remark is saying if he gets a hiding, it should be for being a dick, not his politics, and whatever you can say about autism, going out of your way to try and provoke people for clicks and coins is being a fucking dick. It's also pretty clearly hyperbolic in nature.

Still, if his autism means that his opinions and actions can't be taken seriously as provocation, why then should they be taken seriously outside that framing? Ye can't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:39 pm
by The Weeping Angel
That isn't what I'm saying I was calling out Philip for dragging things up he said ten years ago to use against him.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:18 pm
by Crabcakes
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:39 pm That isn't what I'm saying I was calling out Philip for dragging things up he said ten years ago to use against him.
It was absolutely valid though. You posted his criticism of CWS’s work in here. But we now have context that he has a history of deliberately provoking pro-Palestine groups going back way before the current situation, and also seems to use his autism as an excuse (or you use it as an excuse on his behalf - I’m not clear which).

Either way, we now all know this is not a person who is in any way objective, is likely in fact quite the opposite, and can treat his comments on CWS’s work in that light.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:34 pm
by Abernathy
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:22 am Can someone explain to me what's going on here? I don't have a clue - is it really as trivial as it seems?

Close to kittens...
Me too.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:40 pm
by The Weeping Angel
It was absolutely valid though. You posted his criticism of CWS’s work in here. But we now have context that he has a history of deliberately provoking pro-Palestine groups going back way before the current situation, and also seems to use his autism as an excuse (or you use it as an excuse on his behalf - I’m not clear which).
I bought up his autism because I feel very strongly that Philip and the person he quoted was picking on him for stuff he did 10 years ago and the only reason this is being bought up is because he dared to criticise Cold War Steve.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:49 pm
by MisterMuncher
Just for funsies as much as anything, how old is this person? I would like a little context on why "it was ten years ago" is an excuse for acting the bollocks

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:56 pm
by The Weeping Angel
I don't know really know whay don't you ask him yourself? As for what he did I do recall Tomos did he regretted that. But let's use that against him because he criticised Cold War Steve,

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:04 pm
by MisterMuncher
Because he's not the one in front of me going "it was ten years ago" mostly. If you're going to make an argument, it's hardly out of order for someone to ask you to back it up.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:05 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:56 pm I don't know really know whay don't you ask him yourself?
Oh FFS!

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:06 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Oh FFS what?