They really don’t like people less fortunate than them, do they!
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:52 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Because if all you understand is money, all that you judge worth by is money and all you strive for is money, you are bound to despise those with less, you're winning and they're losers.
Trump was brazen in saying it, but they all believe it.
Or, as one kid said to me, "My dad says if you're so clever, why aren't you rich?"
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:13 pm
by Watchman
I not sure it’s “monetary winners and losers” in this case, more the case of denying someone in need help because they can
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:23 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
So why do they do it?
Causes, causes....
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:03 am
by Admirable Chrichton
I think there is a subset of voters who do (whether consciously or not) support policies or platforms that will actively inflict suffering on outgroups. Remember that a few years ago when a dimwitted republican women was vox-popped in the US in regards to Mexican children apprehended at the USA's southern border, being detained in - for want of a better term - cages. She inadvertently said what she was thinking, without thinking what she was saying, when questioned over Trump's policies towards immigration. She said something like "We need policies that make them suffer." In her mind, it didn't matter whether Trump's vile policies were effective at curtailing immigration, let alone moral. As long as an outgroup was suffering.
I used to think (naively) such sentiments were confined to a small minority; I'm less sure of that these days.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:22 pm
by Crabcakes
If group A see that you treat group B like shit, group A stay in line because they don't want to be treated like shit.
Crack down hard on women protesting peacefully at a vigil for a murdered woman, and there will be a lot of people who think twice about turning up to demos. Let a load of white, male thuggish arseholes do what they want before a football match and you very clearly give a signal about who is allowed to get away with stuff and who isn't.
Very broadly speaking, the tories can cope with football hooliganism because it doesn't affect them. It's poor people fighting poor people. Other protests by intelligent people need to be shut down because these are the people who can have an effect - they will pursue issues in court, they will start effective campaigns and so on.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:28 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
It's all about permissions.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:13 pm
by Nigredo
From a previous signature of mine:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:18 pm
by Andy McDandy
I always saw it as akin to Uncle Monty's cottage*.
"Free to those who can afford it; very expensive to those who can't"
*Withnail and I, m'lud.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:42 pm
by Samanfur
Johnny Mercer speaks. As has been said here previously, he definitely doesn't seem settled at the moment,
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:45 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Weird bit at the start. Isn't it partly his job to be in Parliament? It's like he's semi-retired.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:22 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Hadn't seen this cracker before.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:59 pm
by Youngian
Hold my beer. Tory backbench brains trust thought it would be a good idea to lean on a judge to put in a good word for an accused sex offender
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:58 pm
by davidjay
Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:59 pm
Hold my beer. Tory backbench brains trust thought it would be a good idea to lean on a judge to put in a good word for an accused sex offender
Like they give a shit.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:29 pm
by Youngian
Bernie Maddof's sales team had more diginity
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:36 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
He is indeed. An utter disgrace. Etonian...
(Why do black Tories make me so fucking angry?)
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:46 pm
by Youngian
Lot of time for Sayeeda Warsi and hear her pain
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:39 pm
by Andy McDandy
Charles Moore was doing an "Is it because she's BAME?" thing about Patel the other day. Lots of people pointed out that Warsi achieved high office in the Tory party and in government, and didn't attract anything like the abuse Patel gets. Mainly because she presents as a functioning human being and not as a vindictive arsehole.
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:58 pm
by Youngian
I thought Helen Whatley was just a vacuous hack to makeup the numbers. Nasty piece of work personally and politically, it appears.
Even HS1 can't entice a Trump supporting scourge of the metorplitian elite like Helen, back to Faversham
Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally
Rees-Mogg said he did not know what he said was racist and added his use of the term was “out of ignorance”.
Tory MP Damien Moore had said people in his constituency felt “under attack from the vindictive policies of Labour-controlled Sefton Council” for trying to “impose a cycle network”.
In reply, Rees-Mogg said: “I hear gossip that (Mr Moore) is actually working in collaboration, and whisper it quietly, with the Liberal Democrats in his area against these schemes, which I think shows how completely lunatic they must be to have created an alliance between him and the Yellow Peril.”
Shadow Commons leader Thangam Debbonaire called on him to apologise.
Rees-Mogg replied: “If I have used a term that is offensive I apologise profoundly.
“I had absolutely no intention of using a term that was offensive.
“I don’t actually know what term I used that was offensive, so if out of ignorance I have, I apologise.”
