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Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:48 am
by Youngian
Over on Times Radio, Susie Boniface and Rod Liddle give their views on the course of the war.
“I didn't know Susie was such a military expert,” patronises Rod curtly
“Well I've been a defence correspondent for twenty years, Rod.”
Rod gets ratty and descends into a full Corbyn sulk: “If you’ll just listen.”
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:05 am
by Boiler
The bombs are falling close to my ancestral home now, I have heard.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:42 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:10 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
None of the equivalences below it really work either.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:23 pm
by RedSparrows
Shock news alert: I'll support the morally corrupt, decadent, hyopcritical shitshow of a system that at least allows some freedom and chance to flourish over one that, uh, equates flourishing with 'well at least now you're not eating cold beans in an unheated flat, ya ungrateful bum'.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:25 pm
by Andy McDandy
The argument used to be "in America you can be incredibly rich or destitute, while in the Soviet Union you're basically stuck at an acceptable level of lifestyle". When the Iron Curtain fell and we saw the Romanian orphanages, that kinda blew that argument away.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:56 pm
by Abernathy
And is Putin developing biological weapons that if unleashed on the continent of Europe would make Covid 19 look like a feckin tea party?
What me - worry?
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:06 pm
by Boiler
Abernathy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:56 pm
And is Putin developing biological weapons that if unleashed on the continent of Europe would make Covid 19 look like a feckin tea party?
What me - worry?
Gases that sink into basements would be 'perfect', wouldn't they? This was discussed at length on, I think, "The World Tonight" on R4 last night.
I don't 'get' how that the bollocks of Ukraine developing chemical weapons has to be met with, errr, chemical weapons?
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:38 pm
by Bones McCoy
Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:06 pm
Abernathy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:56 pm
And is Putin developing biological weapons that if unleashed on the continent of Europe would make Covid 19 look like a feckin tea party?
What me - worry?
Gases that sink into basements would be 'perfect', wouldn't they? This was discussed at length on, I think, "The World Tonight" on R4 last night.
I don't 'get' how that the bollocks of Ukraine developing chemical weapons has to be met with, errr, chemical weapons?
There's nothing to "get".
It's just disinformation to feed the trolls while their army carries on regardless.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:53 pm
by Boiler
What's the betting that this will be labelled as "virtue signalling" by some?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60719578
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:37 pm
by Boiler
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:49 pm
by MisterMuncher
Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:06 pm
Abernathy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:56 pm
And is Putin developing biological weapons that if unleashed on the continent of Europe would make Covid 19 look like a feckin tea party?
What me - worry?
Gases that sink into basements would be 'perfect', wouldn't they? This was discussed at length on, I think, "The World Tonight" on R4 last night.
I don't 'get' how that the bollocks of Ukraine developing chemical weapons has to be met with, errr, chemical weapons?
So they can stand and tell the world it was a Ukrainian own goal when they use them. It'll get just enough traction with just enough fucking idiots to obfuscate things. cf. Syria
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:53 pm
by Boiler
I had the horrible feeling that'd be the reason: "these aren't our nerve agents oh no, they're Ukraine's and got released when we bombed their factories, honest"
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:37 am
by RedSparrows
The fact the Express is today celebrating 'caring Brits' taking in refugees is quite something. I wonder why the little white boy on the front is acceptable, hmmm...
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:40 am
by Boiler
RedSparrows wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:37 am
The fact the Express is today celebrating 'caring Brits' taking in refugees is quite something. I wonder why the little white boy on the front is acceptable, hmmm...
Strange. I thought Brexit - something the Express has always been incredibly vocal over - was all about sending the Poles home. You know, those white, hardworking and sometimes church-going individuals.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:56 am
by Andy McDandy
Ha ha. Church, for Express readers, is for weddings, funerals, and claiming moral superiority because at least you're not a fucking Muslim.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:30 am
by Boiler
Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:56 am
Ha ha. Church, for Express readers, is for weddings, funerals, and claiming moral superiority because at least you're not a fucking Muslim.
Oh yes. Sunday worship for them these days is the garden centre or B&Q.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:44 pm
by The Weeping Angel
An interesting interview with an Estonian military intelligence officer.
https://newlinesmag.com/argument/putins ... -problems/
One country in Europe has been bolder in making projections that this war will not end in Putin’s favor: Estonia, for which Russia has historically been the overriding national security and military preoccupation at all levels of government. On Feb. 28, Mikk Marran, the head of Välisluureamet, Estonia’s foreign intelligence service, told New Lines that he didn’t believe Putin could “keep up an intensive war for more than two months” and that ultimately “Russia will not win this war.”
A senior Estonian analyst with years of experience tracking Russia’s military affairs concurs with that assessment but doesn’t even think it’ll take another two months to bear fruit — it already is doing so.
As this source asked to remain anonymous, we will refer to him as “Karl.”
“If Russia does not achieve a remarkable advance by the end of this week, it is difficult to see how [the advance] should come at all,” Karl said late this week.
The Russians, he added, have not made any serious encroachments for the past few days. However, the situation remains delicate. According to national security reporter Jack Detsch, a senior U.S. defense official said March 11 that Russian forces have made “additional advances” toward Kyiv in the past 24 hours and that Russian troops are less than 10 miles northwest of the capital’s city center and 20 miles east in Brovary.
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:15 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Re: Ukraine crisis
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:57 pm
by davidjay
I'm sure the Jeremy Isn't Anti-Semetic brigade are queuing up to condemn Chris Williamson.