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Yeah but that means he's a Marxist.

Starmer made a timely and important statement on national security yesterday.

No doubt the Corbynistas will ignore it entirely to reuse the tired old Benn quote (I'll paraphrase) "If there's money for bombs then why not nurses?"

The Corbynistas seem to be ignoring Ukraine altogether since Trump starting parroting Corbyn's lines.

Stephen Bush thinks he's highlighted a problem with Starmer's approach this ties in with what some have been saying on the Trump thread.

Ah well I assume inviting Zelensky, hugging him on the steps of number 10 and all the rest isn’t as important as tweeting on the Gobbels social media platform.

But I forgot Stephen Bush new niche is foreign diplomacy.

mattomac wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:12 pm Ah well I assume inviting Zelensky, hugging him on the steps of number 10 and all the rest isn’t as important as tweeting on the Gobbels social media platform.

But I forgot Stephen Bush new niche is foreign diplomacy.

Bush has got high on his own supply lately, hasn't he?

Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:48 pm The Corbynistas seem to be ignoring Ukraine altogether since Trump starting parroting Corbyn's lines.

Trump's always been on the right side of history.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:32 pm

mattomac wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:12 pm Ah well I assume inviting Zelensky, hugging him on the steps of number 10 and all the rest isn’t as important as tweeting on the Gobbels social media platform.

But I forgot Stephen Bush new niche is foreign diplomacy.

Bush has got high on his own supply lately, hasn't he?

He accused me of wanting to cull immigrant nurses. I merely floated whether it matters if depopulation causes a corresponding decrease in the output of goods and services. Used to like his work, has he been taking Jordan Peterson pills?

mattomac wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:12 pm Ah well I assume inviting Zelensky, hugging him on the steps of number 10 and all the rest isn’t as important as tweeting on the Gobbels social media platform.

But I forgot Stephen Bush new niche is foreign diplomacy.

Yeah I really fucked up last night I got swallowed up in all the drama and aloowed myself to be influenced by bluesky and twitter.

I think this is Starmer and Macron effectively taking over the traditional US position of leader of the free world.

I can’t imagine this is what Putin wanted.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -live-news

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:02 pm

mattomac wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:12 pm Ah well I assume inviting Zelensky, hugging him on the steps of number 10 and all the rest isn’t as important as tweeting on the Gobbels social media platform.

But I forgot Stephen Bush new niche is foreign diplomacy.

Yeah I really fucked up last night I got swallowed up in all the drama and aloowed myself to be influenced by bluesky and twitter.

You just posted a tweet, from someone who’s usually worth listening to. Don’t worry.

This was an occasion when Bluesky was actually worse than twitter.

It’s not the worst thing I saw someone repost Larry the cat account and suggest even the Downing Street cat showed more support to Zelensky.

Like it’s actually a cat posting.

God I hate that account.

In fairness to Bush, he’s standing up for Starmer v the “do like Hugh Grant in Love Actually” school of UK-US relations.

Bluesky is awful on this stuff. I think lots of people are basically refighting Brexit in this crisis.

I think a big problem with Bluesky is that it's basically left-liberal twitter with all it's flaws.

It’s good on anything that can’t be linked to Brexit in some way.

To a point I think when it comes to Starmer there's a tendancy amongst others to assume the worst and work from there.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:11 pm To a point I think when it comes to Starmer there's a tendancy amongst others to assume the worst and work from there.

It's the old "It might be a lie but you can understand why people believe it" line.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 8:01 pm In fairness to Bush, he’s standing up for Starmer v the “do like Hugh Grant in Love Actually” school of UK-US relations.

Bluesky is awful on this stuff. I think lots of people are basically refighting Brexit in this crisis.

Thanks to Eurosceptic Fico and Orban's vetoes, the EU couldn't operate as an independent actor even if defence was a competency.
More European integration will emerge from this crisis (and maybe closer involvement of Asia Pacific allies) but the EU may have to take a swerve unless they develop opt out treaties on defence issues.
This is more of an existential crisis for Tory Atlantacists but the late item of news is that Michael Heseltine won the argument over Westland.