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Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:29 pm
by Andy McDandy
Law and order for other people. Young or old, rich or poor, black or white.
But particularly the young, poor, and black.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:40 pm
by Crabcakes
I am yet again bewildered as to her stupidity - and that of Sunak - that they don’t see the next step down this horrific road they desperately want to drag us down is that under a different but ideologically similar regime that’s only a smidge further on, they themselves would find they’d suddenly been redefined as ‘undesirable’ and eligible for some sort of one-way trip to somewhere awful.
The Farages and Yaxley-Lennons don’t just want to stop immigration and asylum. They want everyone already here, born here, had generations of family here, gone as well. Because they don’t care where you’re from, what your policies are and how aligned with them they may be, or even how cruel you are. Their sole in/out criteria is ‘are you white?’. And Braverman can be as mean-spirited and heartless and callous as she wants - she’s never passing that test, so will never be more than a useful idiot.
We know what these people are like. They’ll be saying it’s a great policy, but also joking in their WhatsApp and FB groups that she can go too, and take Rishi with her.
Only they’re not really joking, and never are.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:50 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Spot on.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:39 pm
by davidjay
They may not say it, it may not be their policy, but there's no doubt that the next step will be repatriation. It won't be compulsory, it won't need to be. Just a bit more encouragement in the right ears, a bit more inflammatory language, perhaps floating the idea of making it easier to return 'home'. Bricks will be going through front windows again and families will be leaving.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:52 pm
by Watchman
Watchman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:41 pm
Surprisingly there's no thread for this delightful creature...............so I thought I'd start with this, I don't know if it’s possible to get any lower
Well she’s put me to shame on this prophecy
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:52 am
by kreuzberger
It finally dawns on me, (thick as fucking mince but the penny does drop eventually).
"International law" is merely "stinking forriners telling us what to do." That will always go down well with the 24%.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:17 am
by Oboogie
And UK law is merely "Lefty lawyers, interfering with our campaigning"
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:42 am
by Andy McDandy
The entire Brexit/modern right wing thing is basically an overgrown manchild screaming "Stop telling me what to doooooooooooooooo!!!"
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:46 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:17 am
And UK law is merely "Lefty lawyers, interfering with our campaigning"
Who needs laws?
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:28 pm
by Youngian
kreuzberger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:52 am
It finally dawns on me, (thick as fucking mince but the penny does drop eventually).
"International law" is merely "stinking forriners telling us what to do." That will always go down well with the 24%.
Tories already have those votes so this boat stuff is hardly going to widen the tent.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Braverman claiming the email with her name on it wasn’t really from her.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:09 pm
by Yug
And is too thick to understand that civil servants saying "no" isn't being woke lefty snowflakes blocking her marvellous policies, but actually just civil servants doing their job - to ensure any policy they're instructed to follow is actually legal.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:55 pm
by soulboy
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm
Braverman claiming the email with her name on it wasn’t really from her.
Some big boys did it and ran away [/chinnyreckon]
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:05 pm
by kreuzberger
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm
Braverman claiming the email with her name on it wasn’t really from her.
The hamster-faced fascist landing herself in hot water over emails and the ministerial code. Again.
And all during a day of the BBC leading with Lineker being on the naughty step. That particular corner of the world is worryingly broken.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:31 pm
by Crabcakes
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm
Braverman claiming the email with her name on it wasn’t really from her.
The obvious giveaway here is, it’s written in exactly the way she would write it - full of loathing and badly composed.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:32 pm
by Crabcakes
Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:42 am
The entire Brexit/modern right wing thing is basically an overgrown manchild screaming "Stop telling me what to doooooooooooooooo!!!"
This, but also then screaming “DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO!!’
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:50 pm
by Crabcakes
A thought: this policy is clearly horse shit, but if it goes ahead even for a bit it will mean thousands of extra detention places are needed ASAP.
This will put huge pressure on the areas where people are moved to.
Would it therefore be out of the realms of possibility to suspect the areas chosen will be Labour-voting, AND that the raised tensions - when they inevitably result in violence, egged on by Braverman’s usual fascist-adjacent rhetoric - will be used to justify further laws and restrictions that claim to be related to the situation but are in fact just designed to further limit options for dissent, protest and scrutiny?
Because right now I can’t see any purpose to this other than as an ultra-short term distraction destined to backfire.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:05 pm
by Yug
I don't think it's a plot to bring in more fascist legislation.
One of the places they're considering is the recently closed RAF Scampton, in a very Tory part of Lincolnshire.
I think they're just flailing around trying to find some sort of policy which will appeal to the masses, and they haven't thought it all the way through. Which is typical of these intellectual lightweights.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:39 pm
by Andy McDandy
Tough talk, perfect for armchair warriors.
If they actually did dispose of every migrant, and things were still shit, people might realise that migrants aren't the problem.
Re: Suella Braverman
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:42 pm
by RedSparrows
Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:39 pm
Tough talk, perfect for armchair warriors.
If they actually did dispose of every migrant, and things were still shit, people might realise that migrants aren't the problem.
Thus the conceit. That hungry little ball of ugliness lurking in each of us, but some of us are more prone to let it take the wheel than others. 'I'm OK Jack, you're OK Jack, they can get fucked, Jack'.