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Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:29 pm
by The Weeping Angel
I've read various accounts of how Israeli hostages were treated humanely they were not.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:59 pm
by Philip Marlow
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2024/septemb ... -you-leave
‘Let’s for a minute imagine a world without Hamas,’ the surgeon-turned-satirist Bassem Youssef said to Piers Morgan on 17 October 2023. ‘What will this world look like? Let’s give this world a name, and let’s name this world the West Bank.’

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:40 pm
by The Weeping Angel

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:43 am
by Philip Marlow
For those minded to chip in towards good causes, this seems like it might qualify.


Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:21 pm
by Samanfur
Inverted commas or not, it'll be a sleepless night in the legal department:

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:20 am
by Killer Whale
Really? Even if it wasn't Israel*, they won't mind at all people thinking it was.

*Of course it was Israel.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:23 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Indiscriminate terrorism, punishment of the innocent, high-tech making a statement.

Yup, Israel...

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:46 am
by Andy McDandy
Given the body count's just getting to the level of point scoring now, I'm coming round to the idea of just nuking the entire fucking region, turning the sand into glass, and then finding the oil by looking down.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:24 am
by Yug
Playing devil's advocate here. It might not be Israel. It might be that they've just bought a load of cheap shit off Temu.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:31 am
by Watchman
Clearly whoever is behind this, they didn’t care who was holding the pager at the time

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:42 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
The BBC reported that Hezbollah ordered a bulk batch of pagers and Mossad intercepted them and modified them...

One of the dead is a child.

What a bunch of cunts...

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:03 am
by Bones McCoy
There's a lesson here.
If you're gonna work for terrorists, make sure they're vaguely competent.

But beware.
The "only have to get lucky once" strategy doesn't select for competence.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:54 pm
by The Weeping Angel

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:29 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
And now walkie-talkies and domestic solar power apparatus.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:20 pm
by kreuzberger
The international legalities and the obvious murderous intent to one side, for a moment, this is looking to be a remarkable technological and logistical coup.

The Mossad have intercepted perhaps ten thousand devices - pagers, solar setups, walkie-talkies - and meticulously opened, reengineered, and resealed them to go off pop at the press of a button. Presumably, many of these victims/targets will have flown with these devices, yet they sailed through security, untroubled. This is a remarkable level of achievement. How do you even execute that?

Let's say that each tampering took two hours to complete, repackage, and make good. That's 20,000 hours' labour or, at 8 hours per day, some 2,500 days' labour - 7 years or 360-odd weeks without a break.

That suggests then that this was a massive interception and implementation operation which could complete the job without delivery times being notably disrupted. Yet still, there were no leaks. Even if a 36-hour delay would not raise suspicions, you're looking a 1,700 workers to complete the task, from start to finish.

Simple maths points to institutional sabotage on an industrial scale. If I was in Beirut tonight, I would be fearful of doing any ironing.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:47 am
by Bones McCoy
But according to Twitter, we should be worrying about chemtrails.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:25 am
by Watchman
kreuzberger wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:20 pm The international legalities and the obvious murderous intent to one side, for a moment, this is looking to be a remarkable technological and logistical coup.

The Mossad have intercepted perhaps ten thousand devices - pagers, solar setups, walkie-talkies - and meticulously opened, reengineered, and resealed them to go off pop at the press of a button. Presumably, many of these victims/targets will have flown with these devices, yet they sailed through security, untroubled. This is a remarkable level of achievement. How do you even execute that?

Let's say that each tampering took two hours to complete, repackage, and make good. That's 20,000 hours' labour or, at 8 hours per day, some 2,500 days' labour - 7 years or 360-odd weeks without a break.

That suggests then that this was a massive interception and implementation operation which could complete the job without delivery times being notably disrupted. Yet still, there were no leaks. Even if a 36-hour delay would not raise suspicions, you're looking a 1,700 workers to complete the task, from start to finish.

Simple maths points to institutional sabotage on an industrial scale. If I was in Beirut tonight, I would be fearful of doing any ironing.
Unless it was already prepared as part of a longer term strategy. Mossad has all these “bomb phones” ready to go, intercept the delivery, simply switch one crate for another. When they arrive with Hezballoh, I doubt they will be concerned enough to check manifests etc, in a state of war, one walk-in-talkie looks the same as another.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:38 pm
by Philip Marlow
I must admit that this particular thought had occurred to me…


Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:55 pm
by Youngian
Certainly an audacious innovative military plan. Sounds like a plucky SOE operation, that would have become a film with Richard Todd or John Mills shown on sunday afternoon for three decades.

Re: Palestine, Israel, and beyond

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:24 pm
by Philip Marlow
Oz Katerji in full ‘You kiss your mother with that mouth?’ mode.



I’m no tone policeman, but 8.5 out of every 10 times Katerji appears on my feed it’s because he’s screaming abuse at someone in the apparent belief that he’s a far more intimidating man than he actually is.