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Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:31 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
This is Jeremy Hanley standard gaffing.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:08 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
This on the other hand is Jimmy Hill standard bollocks.


Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:32 pm
by Andy McDandy
"Presentational advice" and "unpaid support" going in the same box as discussing Uganda.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:54 am
by Watchman
Surely Matty’s not risked it all for sloppy seconds?

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:27 am
by Youngian
Can we have the gropey man back? Good news about Javid is that he conducts himself in a decent manner and doesn’t do Kipper culture war bollocks. The bad news is he isn’t Rory Stewart and holds some worrying neoliberal (in the true sense) libertarian views. A CDO salesman Patrick Minford

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:15 am
by Crabcakes
This is all starting to reek now. Hancock's story sat on then coming out at just the right time to boot him out and install someone up for opening up so Johnson can meet his stupid arbitrary deadline, even with cases soaring. Then come Winter, the need for a new lockdown and a newly-rampant, vaccine-escaping variant we helped create by ditching all restrictions, it'll be the public's fault for not being careful, and if that doesn't stick it'll be Javid's fault for not understanding a complex brief quickly enough.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:01 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-training

Here we go. Tories after teacher training. What's next? Nudity on TV?

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:14 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
You know what teachers don't want? A fucking golden thread running through their careers.

Wouldn't it be nice if politicians had to do 'intensive training' and were continually monitored for performance?

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:13 pm
by Bones McCoy
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:01 pm https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-training

Here we go. Tories after teacher training. What's next? Nudity on TV?
More Culture War bollocks.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:22 pm
by Youngian
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:01 pm https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... r-training

Here we go. Tories after teacher training. What's next? Nudity on TV?
Online video nasties, bumsex on Ch4, Crass records and banning Benjamin Zephaniah from school poetry appearances.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:26 pm
by kreuzberger
Thank heavens the Summer Solstice is behind us. That could have been their WW3 moment.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:27 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Plotlines in Grange Hill?

Ha ha, nice cross post there.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:39 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Youngian wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:22 pm
Online video nasties, bumsex on Ch4, Crass records and banning Benjamin Zephaniah from school poetry appearances.
Rap music, Tik-Tok, more than 3 kids in a shop.

And as a National Treasure, Benjamin Zepheniah can be safely sold off.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:13 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Does the old "stick some popular stuff in a bill with some utter shit" trick still work?



In fairness Labour pushed a pointless amendment that's covered by existing legislation, but that's not as bad as this one.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:39 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Apparently.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:59 am
by Cyclist
The Tories' war on disabled people continues apace.

This is absolutely disgusting:


Benefits exist to support people in times of need. But for some disabled people, household means-testing has led to benefits being taken away making them uncomfortably reliant on their partner and in debt due to the extra living expenses disabled people incur. Rachel Charlton-Dailey finds some people have vowed never to marry or cohabit again.

...The 32-year-old and her boyfriend had been together for two years when they decided to take their relationship to the next level.

Emma moved out of her home and into his. She was excited but living together meant that her income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) was immediately stopped...


...They agreed to split the cost of living - Emma would pay a third, using her savings to do so, while her partner would pay two-thirds, but this soon changed the dynamics of their relationship.

"He earned five times more than I did and he held it over me. I was still scraping pennies together," she says.

"I relied on him for daily tasks a lot so it was a toxic addition to our relationship because he was only interested in caring for me under his terms. He'd only buy food he liked. Whatever worked for him had to work for me."

Emma says the relationship became physically and sexually abusive and, looking back, he had used coercive control to isolate her from friends and family.

But with no income, she was unable to leave. And if she did leave it could take several weeks for her to be re-assessed and paid ESA once more and she wouldn't have a roof over her head.

"When I felt the relationship was over, my second thought was 'you can't afford to lose this relationship, you have nowhere to go'."

According to SafeLives, a domestic abuse organisation, disabled people typically experience abuse for an average of 3.3 years before seeking support, compared with 2.3 years for non-disabled people. After receiving support, disabled victims are 8% more likely to continue to experience abuse...


...While means-testing is a widely used tool to determine how much money people should get from the benefits system, the impact of benefit reductions can be greater on disabled people because of the additional daily living expenses they have.

Extra costs like specialist equipment, powered wheelchairs, or taxi rides can set disabled people back £583 per month on average, according to the charity Scope.

This is true for Billie*, 29, from Carlisle, who has ME and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, which affects connective tissue and can cause pain and fatigue. She relies on taxis to get to her regular hospital appointments.

Covid-19 saw her lose her financial independence when she was furloughed from a local entertainment venue. She qualified for ESA to top-up her payments, but when her household's income was taken into account, she lost money every time her partner was rewarded at work.

"If he so much as earns £50 more for doing a tiny bit of extra work or getting his petrol covered then my payments decrease," she says. "It got cut down even more in December when he got a brief 'pay rise' also known as a £100 Christmas bonus.

"This can be infantilising for disabled people, as though we can't have our own money," Billie says. "It also means disabled people can't live with or marry their partners for fear of losing their only income source."...


...The current system has left some disabled people feeling they have to choose between relationships and financial security...


...It is this current inequality that Kelly*, 26, from Leeds, says she faced when her marriage meant gaining a husband, but losing her income.

"Nobody told me I'd lose my money when we got married and moved in together," she says.

Kelly has EDS, Endometriosis, ADHD and uses a wheelchair. She relied on ESA as she is unable to work and didn't live with her now-husband before they married.

Due to illness and a mix-up with appointments, she didn't report her marriage for a month and assumed everything was fine.

Then, a dreaded brown envelope from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) landed on her doormat.

"I got a letter claiming I hadn't reported my marriage, they'd overpaid me and I had to pay them a month's worth of ESA back and they'd decided to add a £50 fine on top. They were asking for about £350 while at the same time telling me I had no claim to ESA because my husband worked."

Kelly had no idea her benefit payments would stop because of her husband's income and was at a loss when they did.

She was moved on to another means-tested benefit - Universal Credit - which disabled people are advised to apply for if they don't qualify for ESA. But she says that doesn't feel stable because their household income fluctuates each month and affects her payments.

Kelly has had the benefit stopped twice already, due to her husband's wages coming in early at Christmas.

"We are punished simply for getting married and it feels so unfair that if I was abled and working it wouldn't matter."...


...The DWP said: "Universal Credit and ESA provide a welfare safety net for those in most need, and as such it's right that household income and savings are taken into account when assessing eligibility for these benefits."

Emma managed to escape her situation when her partner ended the relationship.

But it has left her wary.

"I had become partially financially reliant on him purely because the government had stripped my right to benefits for daring to cohabit with a partner. It felt humiliating once I finally realised how vulnerable I'd been.

"In the future, I don't plan on ever living with a partner again, to protect myself."

*All names have been changed and those receiving ESA in this article are in receipt of income-based ESA which, although widely still in-use, can no longer be applied for by new applicants.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-57482418

Deliberate policy to make vulnerable people financially dependent on others. But it's OK - they're only biffs.

I *REALLY* fucking *HATE* Tories.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:13 am
by Youngian
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:39 pm
Youngian wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:22 pm
Online video nasties, bumsex on Ch4, Crass records and banning Benjamin Zephaniah from school poetry appearances.
Rap music, Tik-Tok, more than 3 kids in a shop.

And as a National Treasure, Benjamin Zepheniah can be safely sold off.
His favourite museum
I've been to museums in Cairo, Shaghai, Paris and London but there is absolutley nothing like the museum in Wisbech.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08w52h0


The Wisbech Standard was quick to establish Ben's credentials.
A world famous poet, musician, novelist, actor, professor and martial arts teacher named Wisbech and Fenland Museum his favourite in the world ahead of visiting to film a television show. https://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/ ... um-6612222

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:23 am
by Youngian
Don't want to hate the Tories and rather they were fairly decent minded Christian Democrat party. But they make it impossible not to.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:03 pm
by davidjay
They're never going to be completely happy until we have workhouses again.

Re: New Depths Plumbed While You Wait - The Tories Generally

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:57 pm
by Bones McCoy
I see the new bill to "Make refuge fairer" includes provision to deport applicants to inermediate "safe" countries.

Or what's known as the Otto Franck rule.