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Badenoch playing the old "the system's rigged", which is a very daft thing to say. The system gives MPs the responsibility of choosing the two candidates they want put to the members. They're entitled to vote tactically to keep her off if they want. You might as well claim the election was rigged by Labour supporters voting Lib Dem in Didcot.

Funny how they never notice it before they stand.

I wonder if she's given up. Do you accuse your colleagues (presumably the frontrunner above all) of dirty tricks and then serve quietly in the Shadow Cabinet with them?

Not that Jenrick is better, but look at this rubbish. Is there even a policy here? Who exactly are these young people who think the stuff she suggests?

I'm also not particularly confident in this "we lost everything in Nigeria because lefties" is going to stand up to much scrutiny.

I think she might be onto something when she tries to consign Johnson, Truss, and even Sunak to an ignominious past, and instead seeks to re-invent the Tories as the Badenoch Party. However, she completely lacks any sort of ideological foundation for such a party.

I think her lack of any clear ideology is what makes her so popular with many of the press barons. They know that as leader she will happily comply with their various demands.

The Lib Dems would very happy with the Kemi Party.

Think she’s very rightwing. Doubtless the free market will lose out very badly to house prices, but otherwise I think it’ll be fairly predictable.

She's got one policy, position etc: Didn't do me any harm.

Racism? DDMAH.

Sexism? DDMAH.

Class? DDMAH.

Economics? DDMAH.

And so on...

This sounds courageous. And Jenrick apparently mostly in agreement.

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Badenoch on Times Radio now saying she thinks maternity pay is bad and she wants to get rid of it. That will go down like a lump of lead. Also she's equally tetchy in this interview as earlier. Bit of a disaster today for her.

Again, what is the policy here? Is there one? I thought the non-white Brexiters were big on "end this system that discriminates against my cousins"? And anyway, I don't think "you come here and work your arse off in a job that's not well paid" is a particularly low bar.

There's also some evidence that lots of people do think exactly what she derides.

If you're not a white man you can only get on in the Tories if you pretend to be one. Sayeeda Warsi tried to be different and look what happened there.

Coconut?

Well indeed.

I think Badenoch is assuming that she is going to make it through to the last two so she is pitching herself to grassroot members. There has always been the assumption that the bulk of Tory grassroot members are elderly middle aged women, whether or not this is actually the case or not Kemi is pitching herself at that particular demographic.

After the candidates make their pitch to conference I reckon many of Tugendhat's supporters might jump ship before the next round of voting to back somebody who has a realistic chance of winning. If Stride's supporters and Tugendhat's supporters move over to Cleverly it could well leave Badenoch back in third place with little chance of picking up the 40+ votes she needs to make it to the final two.

Maternity pay led to fewer births, how the heck does that causality work?

It’s really staggering how they think the answer to being kicked out for their utterly abhorrent behaviour is to double down. They really are screwed for a whole generation.

I certainly didn't expect maternity pay to become an issue in this election. The others have all opposed her (even Jenrick, who I'd heard was equivocal). She needs some Tugendhat-Cleverly voters. Looks like a huge clanger to me.

This always ends well for political parties.

Tory chair Richard Fuller says review of election should lead to members getting more say over policies and candidates
Richard Fuller, the Conservative chair, told the conference in his speech that he has ordered a review of what happened at the election that will be more comprehensive than previous ones. He said it would give party members more say over policy making and candidate selection

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:30 pm ... Looks like a huge clanger to me.

Out-leadheading the loathsome Ms. Leadsom? More of the same, please!

Whiffs of the Gilead-inspired Republican dream policy shifts in the US. Force women to stay home if they want a family. Then change it to only people with jobs get a vote and so on.