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“The real minister without portfolio.” The political juices flow when you have to shadow Braverman. Emily T’s barbed responses were class as well.

The Home Secretary is the tofu catcher.

When she's not breaking the ministerial code.

Cooper will make an excellent Home Secretary

There are people who are happy for us to leave the ECHR and let filth like this draw up a new UK charter of human rights.

There are some very, very stupid people out there.

The Home Secretary must help house a “destitute” family bringing legal action against her, after she left them with the choice of enduring street homelessness or returning to Grenada, a judge has ruled.

Rawle Ganpot, 73, Fayrose Dickson, 69, and their son Paul Dickson, 49, who came to the UK from the Caribbean island nation over 25 years ago, currently rely on soup kitchens and food banks, the High Court was told.

The family have launched legal challenges against Suella Braverman, after her department refused an application for accommodation and support amid their bid to remain in the UK..

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/s ... 57886.html

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Suella thinks Prevent is spending too much time on "political correctness" and mainstream rightwing attitudes.

So who's being referred to it?

The fact that only 22% of Prevent referrals for the year 2020-21 concerned Islamism suggests a loss of focus and failure to identify warning signs. This misalignment has been partly driven by a sharp uptick of ‘Mixed, Unclear, or Unstable’ referrals, which constituted over half of Prevent referrals for the year 2020-21. Mental health and neurodevelopmental issues, as well as personal and domestic difficulties are often factors in such referrals.

Oh. If you take these out, then Islamic extremism is up to nearly half. That doesn't seem like a particularly low number for what's essentially an early intervention tool. More alarming stuff would get phoned straight in to the Police, which seems to be happening given their casework. Prevent isn't the same thing as counter terrorist policing.

I get that we use the word "terrorism" for ideological stuff, but surely people without ideology can be dangerous too. A teacher BTL on the Guardian said he had Prevent training, and they met regularly with safeguarding people. I don't know where the referrals go from here, but I assume they get referred to the most appropriate place. Why is this a problem?

She knows that potential terrorists caught early don't generate headlines. Actual terrorists getting shot do.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:26 pm Suella thinks Prevent is spending too much time on "political correctness" and mainstream rightwing attitudes.

So who's being referred to it?

The fact that only 22% of Prevent referrals for the year 2020-21 concerned Islamism suggests a loss of focus and failure to identify warning signs. This misalignment has been partly driven by a sharp uptick of ‘Mixed, Unclear, or Unstable’ referrals, which constituted over half of Prevent referrals for the year 2020-21. Mental health and neurodevelopmental issues, as well as personal and domestic difficulties are often factors in such referrals.

Oh. If you take these out, then Islamic extremism is up to nearly half. That doesn't seem like a particularly low number for what's essentially an early intervention tool. More alarming stuff would get phoned straight in to the Police, which seems to be happening given their casework. Prevent isn't the same thing as counter terrorist policing.

I get that we use the word "terrorism" for ideological stuff, but surely people without ideology can be dangerous too. A teacher BTL on the Guardian said he had Prevent training, and they met regularly with safeguarding people. I don't know where the referrals go from here, but I assume they get referred to the most appropriate place. Why is this a problem?

The problem is the Home Secretary is Suella Braverman, a person who seems to have one less brain cell than someone who has had their brain fully removed.

Seemingly, this report has gained little traction today which is hardly surprising given Vlod's visit and it dominating the new agenda.

However, it stinks.

It stinks of Braverman demanding exactly the report she wanted, authored by William Shawcross in whom few at the sharp end had much confidence, if any at all.

The gist is that she wants a clampdown on Muslims - including Palestinian activists - rather than the increasingly and rabidly violent right. No professional in their right mind would accept what might be seen as political interference and her doing her transparent best to shore up the base.

After all, that's what the Sixpence Sixthwit is there for.

She knows that the more rabid types particularly don’t like Muslims, with the added bonus that they often have brown skin. So easy target for her and it lets lovely people such as Andrew Tate clones carry on radicalising kids.

It’s just the cluelessness of it I can’t fathom out. She can be as callous and mean-spirited as she likes, and use as much dehumanising language as she likes. But the moment a genuine far-right populist got in she’d still be seen in exactly the same light as the refugees she loathes.

It's been remarked that Thatcher did a lot to undermine the NF by appropriating their language. Now we've a Conservative party that is basically UKIP, which in turn replaced the BNP. Each time a slightly smarter suit, with the rough edges shaved off a bit more.

The sad fact is that the 2016 referendum caused 3 things to hit home:

1. There are a lot of bigoted wankers out there.
2. Their votes are counted the same as everyone else.
3. You are in harm's way if you oppose them, or don't pander to them enough.

The news media love it, because they're guided by controversy. Whatever gets the watercooler moment, the secondary views, dominates the agenda, fills the space, or whatever you call it. Also remember that almost all newspaper journalists are massive edgelording wankers. Pushing the envelope, seeing what you can get away with before the lawyers step in, it's their bread and butter. Also, they're thinking that whatever the dangers of the far right, they're not directly at risk.

Something I've often thought - every so often a populist far-right party pops up. Each time they're a bit less extreme and they get a lot more support. In the seventies the National Front got votes but no wins. 25 years later the BNP won council and European elections. After that UKIP were successful in Europe. Now it's the Tories. The rhetoric is the same, the success has been greater.

Absolute gibberish. They may or may not do something, within a year or longer, by some as yet undefined method.

"Stop the boats" probably means they're expecting a recession so bad that the ferry companies go bust, or something.

"Words don't matter..."

Oh yes, they do, Swella, when they lead to some poor refugee getting stabbed in Dover...

...and a firebombing. An actual firebombing with bombs and fire.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:18 pm ...and a firebombing. An actual firebombing with bombs and fire.

I think Shawcross actually missed that out of his report.

Here we go again:

Protesters clash outside Merseyside asylum seeker hotel

Complete with a police van in flames.

Obviously I don't condone rioting, but you can understand...

"Concerned citizens".

“Makes it all the more important to stop the boats”