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NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:23 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:06 am

Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:00 am

Yes it is a foreign country, but this result is going to cause a lot of suffering and not just in the USA.
In Ukraine, Taiwan, Palestine/Israel and Europe people are going to die because of this.
Less seriously the UK economy is going to be impacted and of course the poorest, who are already suffering, will be hurt the most.
Enjoy your breakfast and have a nice day.

Also hoped to be dead before rising sea levels claimed my home. But this ignorant motherfucker running the world's largest economy will do his best to pollute the atmosphere to the max with CO2 in order to own the libs.

With Trump planning to withdraw all fiscal and military support for Ukraine, it is inevitable that all governments across Europe will have to increase defence spending massively and introduce plans for conscription. Our own PM Keir Starmer will be forced to abandon his domestic agenda and the nation will have to prepare for the conflict to come.

Sure Jan.

Is the Saab still running?

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:04 pm It's going to be fascinating seeing how all this plays out in this country politically over the coming years, seeing as Trump is about as popular as gonorrhea with the public here. Lord only knows what British voters are supposed to make of all these recently-humiliated Tories wildly celebrating Trump's victory, especially bearing in mind the ramifications for Ukraine and British security.

I wonder who Starmer will end up appointing as the ambassador to the United States? Would somebody like May or Cameron be sensible choices, perhaps? Trump probably just about remembers May as that nice lady who held his hand that one time to help him down a slope.

Don't we already have an ambassador?
I don't think It's a PM appointment.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:12 pm Don't we already have an ambassador?
I don't think It's a PM appointment.

The current ambassador is expected to step down next year, I believe. There have been various bits of chatter as to who could replace her, I even recall Mandelson getting a mention if Harris won.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:04 pm I wonder who Starmer will end up appointing as the ambassador to the United States? Would somebody like May or Cameron be sensible choices, perhaps? Trump probably just about remembers May as that nice lady who held his hand that one time to help him down a slope.

The appointment of ambassadors is not a duty of the PM. The current UK ambassador to the USA is Dame Karen Pierce who has been in post since March 2020.

A thought what if the same thing happen's here in five years time? Labour aren't exactly popular and the press will promote the hell out of Badenoch and the Tories will be back in with a landslide.

America’s finest political analysts have at last weighed in.

I'm not reading anything until there's been a few days, at minimum. Noise noise noise.

I have a couple of problems with that.

And it goes to the same school as “Trump’s kids will dominate for decades”.

None of them are quite like him. If any of them had been running I doubt they would win.

Labour need to govern well, I do think we will see some move on closer ties to Europe now. It’s entirely possible Badenoch might win but it’s entirely possible the US will be fucking up silly that any link to Trump would be a chain rather than a medal around someone’s neck.

See my views on Germany and France. As long as Reform exist I think there are problems for the Conservatives and I don’t think they’ve addressed them.

I’d say their closest is Johnson but even he has burnt through this. I said after Clinton they will elect a gay before a woman and that’s still how I feel.

I don't think governing well is enough I'm afraid. I think we'll get hammered in May.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:34 pm I don't think governing well is enough I'm afraid. I think we'll get hammered in May.

Governments always do. Even when Blair was winning back to back landslides we lost the London mayoralty and the Scottish parliament.

I think it will be different this time. Look at what happened to the Tories after 2019 everyone thought they were invincible and then it all fell apart.

I'd be amazed if May weren't properly retired.

On the relatively bright side, those arrows on that map make things look more drastic than they are. The swing is likely going to be about 3 percent. That's better than a lot of incumbents dealing with the pandemic/Russia inflation squeeze have done.

And Democrats have been relatively competitive in the House. Not impossible that they win that back in 2026.

Where's his fucking poppy?



Fummin'

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:18 pm I'd be amazed if May weren't properly retired.

On the relatively bright side, those arrows on that map make things look more drastic than they are. The swing is likely going to be about 3 percent. That's better than a lot of incumbents dealing with the pandemic/Russia inflation squeeze have done.

And Democrats have been relatively competitive in the House. Not impossible that they win that back in 2026.

The margin is far greater than anyone expected, I think, but also... As ever... Far smaller than the rhetoric permits.

These elections are lost more than they are won, one feels. The non voting population, and the drop in votes this time, is staggering.

Alongside the scapegoats it’ll be interesting to see who the early candidates for anointed saviour turn out to be, albeit that most of them will be forgotten within months or even weeks.

Harris’ presidential ambitions are almost certainly toast. She was handed the nomination on a plate, which will not be happening again and might not have happened this time had Biden stepped or been pushed aside earlier.

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:09 pm I said after Clinton they will elect a gay before a woman and that’s still how I feel.

And not a woman beaten by Hilary Clinton eight years ago. Kamala has certainly improved but Trump's staggeringly bad behaviour had blinded us to the fact she wasn't that impressive and was only there because Biden gambled he'd be fit enough to run and lost.

In a slight glimmer of hope locally, I’ve been reading about Trump’s likely cabinet picks, and much to my surprise a couple of them are very big on supporting Ukraine. So that might not be the dead end we all immediately feared.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:34 pm I don't think governing well is enough I'm afraid. I think we'll get hammered in May.

In the locals? Quite possibly. But also: not the wholly bad thing you may think. If Reform get in in a lot of places as councillors, they will do exactly as UKIP used to - be incompetent and lazy and then lose straight after when people get frustrated with their awfulness. Better that now rather than in a big election.

And if some Tories get back in, that also has a silver lining. The only way that party - which for now at least is the main opposition -
will change is with new blood, and they have to start somewhere. If Reform is capturing all the real right wingers, you have to hope some people standing as Tories are more one nation and that they can start to have some influence again. Perhaps when Badenoch has tarnished things a bit more.

The ideal thing is to properly split the right-wing vote but with an ideological difference big enough to make merger unlikely. And that’s not impossible to imagine.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:27 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:37 pm
The US shifting its balance of power and divesting of Europe is the number one war game in the strategic circles of Europe. A group of countries with over ten times the GDP of Russia is spending too expensively. Logistical integration however raises thorny political issues. If Trump believes divesting of NATO will do Europe good in the long run, he's probably right.

Is there any chance that Starmer can barter the UK's defence capabilities to a route at the "Heart of Europe", to use John Major's phrase? Would be nice, but more likely that there's a silly row over youth mobility visas or something.

There's no way Starmer will use the defence of Europen as EU negotiating collateral but it will put him at the heart of Europe. Keir doesn't have the domestic pressures on Ukraine policy which Macron and Schlutz face. But he will if he gets behind a Trump appeasement plan to cede terroritory to Russia. Keir may have some enormous shoes he's got to wear but never asked for. Events, dear boy.

Seems very likely an interest rate is coming.Would that have happened if the Budget had been such a disaster?