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Of course, there is the worry that this will embolden the pork haystack to make his dramatic return in 2029...

Nigredo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:56 pm Of course, there is the worry that this will embolden the pork haystack to make his dramatic return in 2029...

I’m sure it will, however I’m also reassured by the general British sense of once they’ve clocked someone as a cunt, that’s near impossible to shake off.

And given his book sales, it looks like people aren’t desperate to hear from him again for the moment at least.

They're thick. Really fucking thick. Imagine already experiencing four years of that deranged moron and then going out and voting for it again. Fucking thick.

Give me the child until he is seven and I will show you the man...

safe_timber_man wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:22 pm They're thick. Really fucking thick. Imagine already experiencing four years of that deranged moron and then going out and voting for it again. Fucking thick.

The problem is, I think a lot of people *didn’t* experience it because their day to day lives didn’t change and they don’t engage with politics. This time, if he really does go through with some of his more insane policy ideas, maybe more people will feel the pain?

It’s frighteningly similar to Brexit - it took Johnson actually pushing it through, and then 3 fucking terrible Tory administrations, before everyone felt it. And now we have a triple figure Labour majority. We had to get to most people not being all right, Jack, before we could move on.

If Trump causes a health disaster via RFK Jr, a financial disaster via tariffs, and/or an infrastructure disaster via letting Musk go to town on the civil service, and the people who didn’t feel it before suddenly have dead relatives, astronomical mortgages and zero federal safety net, then maybe things can be turned around before it’s terminal for US democracy.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:09 pm

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:46 am I think it was the protagonist in Pokemon.

No, Ash was the maniac android from Alien who ended up being decapitated - quite a good metaphor for the current mood tbf.

I was going to suggest Ash from The Evil Dead.

Not sure of any metaphorical links between today's news and cutting off a possessed hand with a chainsaw (and then covering the disembodied hand with a bucket weighed down with books including, chortle, A Farewell To Arms).

Inflation is a killer.

If they really think Biden mismanaged the economy and Trump will do better and make them better off, I think a lot of Republican voters may shortly be having an ‘NHS bus’ moment.

Trump's going inheriting a much better economy than Biden did, so in the absence of any context, that is exactly what it'll look like.

But they think that inflation being addressed means that prices will be reduced. Innumeracy, pure and simple.

They think that in the abstract, but if it rises at a regular slowish rate, and wages keep up, then they don't care about them.

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:06 am

Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:00 am

Rosvanian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:49 am Despite the news coverage over the last few days, it's worth reminding ourselves that we here in the UK are not actually American and this is all happening in a foreign country which right now seems more foreign than ever. I'm off to get a cup of Twinning's Strong English Breakfast and a bacon sarnie. Have a nice day, as they say over there.

Yes it is a foreign country, but this result is going to cause a lot of suffering and not just in the USA.
In Ukraine, Taiwan, Palestine/Israel and Europe people are going to die because of this.
Less seriously the UK economy is going to be impacted and of course the poorest, who are already suffering, will be hurt the most.
Enjoy your breakfast and have a nice day.

Also hoped to be dead before rising sea levels claimed my home. But this ignorant motherfucker running the world's largest economy will do his best to pollute the atmosphere to the max with CO2 in order to own the libs.

With Trump planning to withdraw all fiscal and military support for Ukraine, it is inevitable that all governments across Europe will have to increase defence spending massively and introduce plans for conscription. Our own PM Keir Starmer will be forced to abandon his domestic agenda and the nation will have to prepare for the conflict to come.

Preparedness makes sense, although there are various levers at governments' disposal. For example, some €210 billion in assets from the Central Bank of Russia alone are frozen in the EU.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:51 pm Trump's going inheriting a much better economy than Biden did, so in the absence of any context, that is exactly what it'll look like.

True but his plans for tariffs and tax cuts are I think going to cause problems for him.

With Trump planning to withdraw all fiscal and military support for Ukraine, it is inevitable that all governments across Europe will have to increase defence spending massively and introduce plans for conscription.

The US shifting its balance of power and divesting of Europe is the number one war game in the strategic circles of Europe. A group of countries with over ten times the GDP of Russia is spending too expensively. Logistical integration however raises thorny political issues. If Trump believes divesting of NATO will do Europe good in the long run, he's probably right.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:06 pm
True but his plans for tariffs and tax cuts are I think going to cause problems for him.

Doubt that the tariffs will happen. Just like last time when he said he was going to raise taxes on the rich and immediately slashed them.

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:37 pm
The US shifting its balance of power and divesting of Europe is the number one war game in the strategic circles of Europe. A group of countries with over ten times the GDP of Russia is spending too expensively. Logistical integration however raises thorny political issues. If Trump believes divesting of NATO will do Europe good in the long run, he's probably right.

Is there any chance that Starmer can barter the UK's defence capabilities to a route at the "Heart of Europe", to use John Major's phrase? Would be nice, but more likely that there's a silly row over youth mobility visas or something.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:23 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:06 pm
True but his plans for tariffs and tax cuts are I think going to cause problems for him.

Doubt that the tariffs will happen. Just like last time when he said he was going to raise taxes on the rich and immediately slashed them.

Great he's going to take credit for Biden's economy. Oh well they're probably won't be elections in 26 and 28 anyway.

Taking credit or slagging off your predecessor is a spoil of victory.

It's going to be fascinating seeing how all this plays out in this country politically over the coming years, seeing as Trump is about as popular as gonorrhea with the public here. Lord only knows what British voters are supposed to make of all these recently-humiliated Tories wildly celebrating Trump's victory, especially bearing in mind the ramifications for Ukraine and British security.

I wonder who Starmer will end up appointing as the ambassador to the United States? Would somebody like May or Cameron be sensible choices, perhaps? Trump probably just about remembers May as that nice lady who held his hand that one time to help him down a slope.