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I think if a chance comes up to buy it back cheap, as with Railtrack, do it. But if not, then there are going to be better uses of money. It's always said that renationalization is very popular, but that's without political attacks. The Lib Dems would probably feel very happy to run v Labour on "Do you want £xbn spent on buying back electrical infrastructure, or £xbn spent on climate change?" The Tory attack lines write themselves too.

This ludicrous article in Spiked prompts the question as to who is the most prominent Labour Brexiter? They’ve either fucked off to the Tories (John Mann and Gisela Stuart) or dead (Frank Field and Austin Mitchel). But there’s always Richard Burgon. Yeh he’ll win over the Red Wall.

Labour’s Remainer reshuffle
The elevation of leading anti-Brexiters is a slap in the face to Red Wall voters. https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/3 ... reshuffle/

Comeback for Ronnie Campbell or Dennis Skinner? Bryan Gould?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:09 pm Comeback for Ronnie Campbell or Dennis Skinner? Bryan Gould?

Like Ben, they’ve a real Brexit they’ve been saving in the drawer

Is Ben a No Deal man? That might be mad, but at least I know what it is. Same as I can see June Mummery's Brexit, where the rest of the economy takes a bigger hit to help fishing.

I've no idea what Burgon and all mean.

I've no idea what Burgon and all mean.

A semi planned autarky. In order to take back control from the Gringo imperialistas in Washington and the multinationals (boo).

Clive Lewis justifies his voting against Covid prevention measures.

https://labourlist.org/2021/12/adaptati ... ow-change/

We now know a lot more about the authoritarian and undemocratic nature of this hard-right government than we did back in 2019. We now know about the hypocrisy and lies when it comes to following their own rules. We know about their disdain for science, robust evidence and experts. We also know they have used this period to erode what little democracy (and trade union rights) we had, by attacking our right to vote, to protest, to citizenship, and just this week our human rights, too, with the announcement of a rolling-back of the Human Rights Act.

We now know that, true to form, the government has not let a good crisis go to waste. Covid has provided cover for their attempt to sell off our intimate health and biometric data. They have taken a leaf from the playbook of their US Republican counterparts to erode data protections and extend surveillance.

In opposing vacinne mandates Clive is the one borrowing from the US Republicans.

Word salad.

None of what he's said is untrue, but the measures are too little, too late, but at least something. Voting against them just because it's the Tories proposing them (again, too little and too late) is a genuine example of playing politics - putting your need to be seen to be voting against "the bad guys" regardless of what the vote is on, then attempting to justify it by saying "well they're awful, aren't they?".

Yes they are, but when they finally get off their arses and are forced to act it's not the time to suddenly decide to play to the audience rather than put people's health first.

"The real issues" says Clive.

It's Brexit, where some people think the left arguments were better than the Tory ones.

He can stay suspended too.

What an arsehole glad he's been suspended.

Labour MP accused of racism: loses whip.

Conservative MP accused of racism: made Leader of the House.

Well indeed, but I've a horrible feeling Coyle is going to get it back.

Stop the War Cuntalition (guiding 40W bulb J Corbyn) made a statement blaming NATO for the invasion of Ukraine.

The statement read: “We refute the idea that NATO is a defensive alliance, and believe its record in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and Libya over the last generation, not to mention the US-British attack on Iraq, clearly proves otherwise.

“We support all efforts to reach new arms control agreements in Europe and to move towards nuclear disarmament across the continent.

“We urge the entire anti-war movement to unite on the basis of challenging the British government’s aggressive posturing and direct its campaigning to that end above all.”

11 assorted knobhead Labour MPs and 3 members of the HoL duly signed it...

Keir had a word with the whips. The whips had a word with the knob heads. Within half an hour 10 had withdrawn their signatures - I'm trying to get a list of names. Abbott held out another half hour before folding, under the threat of instantly (and probably permanently) losing the whip.

What a shower of shite.





Statement and list of remaining signatories:
https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/list ... r-ukraine/

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Diane Abbott MP
John McDonnell MP
Richard Burgon MP
Ian Lavery MP
Beth Winter MP
Zarah Sultana MP
Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
Apsana Begum MP
Mick Whitley MP
Tahir Ali MP
Ian Mearns MP

Owen has his eye on the real war

Oh just fuck off owen.

Squealer's gonna squeal.

Lots of Welsh seats disappearing in the boundary review, including Beth Winter's Cynon Valley. I assume she'd be competing for Merthyr and Aberdare with Gerald Jones (currently Merthyr and Rhymney).

This business may not be too helpful to her.