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They’re not going to resign because if they seriously were, they already would have. They’re also not going to change the overall result of a GE even if they did. So all they would be doing would be reducing their own influence at a time when they clearly would like to have more influence.

It is a lot of noise. Understandable, sure. But these are not votes going back to the Tories. My main concern is populations feeling disenfranchised who then are open to have some people radicalised.

Yes. This is performative, and it's for their own constituencies, not the party at large.

Not all that many votes In Burnley on this issue.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:08 pm Not all that many votes In Burnley on this issue.

Would it be too much to expect these people to do the job they're elected to do? I doubt very much that the situation in Gaza is affecting bins being emptied in Burnley.

I don't think they ever said they were speaking on behalf of their councils. It was just a bit unusual for a council leader to do this at all.

Spot the bad analogy.

Someone BTL points out that calling for a humanitarian pause v ceasefire (that will never be agreed to) isn't like actually invading Iraq. Meadway gives the odd response of "yeah exactly" and says it would have then been the government's problem, not Labour's, or something.

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Yougov showed Starmer's lead as Best PM rising.

Blair did 10 years, nearly 4 after invading Iraq. Sure he left a bit earlier than he wanted, but he's overstating it a bit.

Er, no.

He left at his own choosing, some might say to avoid the coming financial shitstorm.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:41 pm Spot the bad analogy.

Someone BTL points out that calling for a humanitarian pause v ceasefire (that will never be agreed to) isn't like actually invading Iraq. Meadway gives the odd response of "yeah exactly" and says it would have then been the government's problem, not Labour's, or something.

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To think he was a highly paid advisor to the previous leadership.

He was but he’s a good faith tweeter.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:27 pm Er, no.

He left at his own choosing, some might say to avoid the coming financial shitstorm.

He was ahead of nearly the whole of the City in that case,

There were some coordinated resignations by supporters of Gordon Brown in 2006. My memory is that these hastened the date a bit. But maybe not. Maybe 10 years was just long enough.

You wonder when this starts to benefit him due to the fact Sunak hasn’t commented on it for days now.

As mentioned his ratings have seen a jump in some, I don’t see and many others don’t see what calling for a ceasefire does, try explaining to someone what happens after that.

Drakeford backing the stance was welcome in my view,

I saw the leader of Burnley council on Sky - he has now resigned.

His argument was essentially that Starmer isn't listening to him or the small group of resigning councillors, and not doing what a small, highly motivated group who are going against party policy is an affront to democracy.

"You're not listening!"
"Yes I am, I just don't agree."
"You're not listening!"

Toddler level politics. Tory enablers, ego-driven.

Thanks, Jeremy...

Good thread here, as ever, by Sunder.

Short version- number of Labour Muslim voters massively overrated by the media. I'd infer this is unlikely to cost the election.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:13 am I saw the leader of Burnley council on Sky - he has now resigned.

His argument was essentially that Starmer isn't listening to him or the small group of resigning councillors, and not doing what a small, highly motivated group who are going against party policy is an affront to democracy.

"You're not listening!"
"Yes I am, I just don't agree."
"You're not listening!"

Toddler level politics. Tory enablers, ego-driven.

Thanks, Jeremy...

It was no better on the Today programme this morning. Determined to have the last word.

Burnley council politics is a bit awkward. Labour plus Lib Dem get 19 out of 45 seats. Green plus independent ex Labour 19. Tory 7. Roughly translated- get a majority out of that.

Sunak’s avoidance of the issue and hard of thinking far left’s hatred of Starmer has somewhat emboldened the leader and Labour’s lead in the polls.

I say to them, thank you.

Starmer has sounded fairly serious on Gaza, even if lots of people strongly disagree with him. Sunak has just sought to play up Labour splits. I can see how Starmer might actually benefit electorally from the issue.

If you leave the opponent the floor, you got to sure hope he doesn’t deliver.

I think generally Starmer has.