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So.

Insult the vast majority of the party who supported Remain.
Appease ignorant racists in red wall seats (most of whom were never Labour voters anyway)
Demonstrate that you despise young 'middle-class' socialists.
Bad-mouth southern voters.

That'll work for sure...

I wonder if Cruddas has been looking at the London Mayor results. Good overall for Labour considering the general polling but not good in London's "Brexitania". I would imagine that would be Cruddas's seat gone, plus a few others could be in trouble.

As James Dyson has a direct line to the PM to ask for a tax cut, I really don't understand this idea of a shadowy EU neoliberal boogeyman...

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:08 pm I wonder if Cruddas has been looking at the London Mayor results. Good overall for Labour considering the general polling but not good in London's "Brexitania". I would imagine that would be Cruddas's seat gone, plus a few others could be in trouble.

How do they work out swings on preference?

I will say this, the outer London emissions charging probably had an impact.

I don't know how he works the swing out.

Don't know about the "border tax". Khan did well in some parts of outer London. Might be Brexit reallignment. The last election was before the referendum. Maybe Cruddas would be OK if that's all it is.

Shocking a moron like Bailey was even in with a shout. Would Labour have increased its vote if they stuck up someone equivalent like Richard Burgon?

Probably crime hurt Khan. I'd guess lots of people didn't know how bad Bailey was.

McDonnell reckons Starmer is a "Blair tribute act".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57233736

Oblomov wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:23 am McDonnell reckons Starmer is a "Blair tribute act".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57233736

I wish.

Mr McDonnell told Newsnight he believes two broad forces will strengthen the left's policy agenda:

They want to hold Starmer to two commitments he made in the 2020 Labour leadership contest: to act as a unifying force and to use the 2019 Labour manifesto as the basis for his programme. The "paradigm shift", which has seen strong state intervention in response to Covid, strengthens that argument, according to the McDonnell wing.

The success of the Democratic left in shaping President Joe Biden's policy agenda. Biden does not hail from that tradition but he has listened to their thinking.

Starmer's far less laissez faire than Blair and even Ed M on the economy and labour market regulation so McD shouldn't worry too much. If Keir looks to Blair to home his strategic savvy than good.

How has the left shaped Biden’s presidency?

If I remember they moaned about Kamala Harris, they insisted Sanders be given a post and then moaned on election night when the count made it look like Biden would lose.

I think Biden has got sane people involved and has started well, if he had gone down getting some of the far left involved he would be fighting fires every five minutes.

Biden is more ambitious in office than his campaigning would suggest. Its also true that Sanders put his big boy trousers on and got behind Biden as the stakes were so high. I think John is suggesting Biden is reluctantly doing some lefty stuff as a reward to Sanders for not acting like an asshole.

Much of what has happened seems very much what Harris was campaigning and fighting for so I assume she has led Biden in some ways or Biden was willing to make his presidency one of real change, I assume Harris sat down and discussed what the presidency would look like. They definitely come across as more of a team.

But let’s be honest has Biden done anything Starmer hasn’t either come out for or was pushing anyhow.

People like this need to get in the fucking bin. Why does Labour tolerate them? If such language was used about any other group they'd be out.

And no matter how isolated she is in the party, the flagshaggers will seize on this as Labour policy, aided and abetted by the "Hur hur I called him Keith" mob.

I thought it was "Kieth" for the added lolz?

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:06 pm And no matter how isolated she is in the party, the flagshaggers will seize on this as Labour policy, aided and abetted by the "Hur hur I called him Keith" mob.

You can't call people standing up for an oppressed Palestine "flagshaggers" when the Labour party has adopted a policy of sticking the butcher's apron on everything and hoping it makes the racists like them.

Lot of weird energy in this thread. Getting the feeling a lot of people here aren't keen on Palestine's right to exist.

"The butcher's apron". That's a winning phrase.

And I've seen Starmer with a flag once. Had that memo not been leaked, nobody would have noticed.

https://www.google.com/search?q=starmer ... 0&bih=1240

Seems to be quite a few people aware of his need to stick flags everywhere, even without the leaked memo.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:21 pm "The butcher's apron". That's a winning phrase.

Nineteenth century.