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kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:38 pm

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:17 pm Good luck with that.

Cynicism and eye-rolling defeatism are not universally positive attributes. Just thought I would mention that...

Since when have I done positive...? I've seen and been through so much shit (and yes, I know I'm not unique) this last 20 years I find it difficult.

I don't know about you, but I am utterly weary of the true elite "getting away with it" time and time and time again...

That account pushing the Starmer recording doesn't look particularly credible.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:31 pm I think that 'hostile' poll (or perhaps the one that showed 42% to 29%) will probably be the accurate ones come polling day. Again, I would like to be proven wrong.

Just to note: the poll isn’t hostile, the entity quoting it is - this one furthers their ‘Corbyn > Starmer’ narrative. Other polls - inc. later ones from the same pollster - do not, so are not posted.

Also, if the ‘worst’ result is likely a Labour majority at a GE in 2024, given where things were even 3 years ago would any of us *not* have grabbed that with both hands if offered back then?

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:55 am

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:31 pm I think that 'hostile' poll (or perhaps the one that showed 42% to 29%) will probably be the accurate ones come polling day. Again, I would like to be proven wrong.

Just to note: the poll isn’t hostile, the entity quoting it is - this one furthers their ‘Corbyn > Starmer’ narrative. Other polls - inc. later ones from the same pollster - do not, so are not posted.

Also, if the ‘worst’ result is likely a Labour majority at a GE in 2024, given where things were even 3 years ago would any of us *not* have grabbed that with both hands if offered back then?

Exactly I can remember being at a LabourFirst meeting at the start of 2020 and being told to get a majority of just one we needed to get a swing greater than 1997.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:55 am

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:31 pm I think that 'hostile' poll (or perhaps the one that showed 42% to 29%) will probably be the accurate ones come polling day. Again, I would like to be proven wrong.

Just to note: the poll isn’t hostile, the entity quoting it is - this one furthers their ‘Corbyn > Starmer’ narrative. Other polls - inc. later ones from the same pollster - do not, so are not posted.

That's why I put 'hostile' in quote marks...

Lots about devolution tmrw, by the look of it.

I'm sceptical how much difference this makes in lots of cases, but probably won't do any harm, and it makes Sir Keir look busy on a slow news day. Count me in.

"He wants to break up the union, wrap ourselves in the flag, Gerry Adams would be proud" articles being dusted off.

Perfect from Newsthump on the faked audio

https://newsthump.com/2023/10/09/deep-f ... impletons/

The story doesn't really make such sense, irrespective of the audio, as pointed out here.

GBNews for tinfoil hat Trots. At least Skawkbox haven’t the gall to apply for a broadcasting licence and masquerade as a news channel.

One of the Skwakbox fans below the line comes up with the killer argument that some 16 year olds work. In 2021 (latest figures I can find) 1.5% 16-17 year olds were in work.

Why do people who support PR say this stuff? Most likely result of PR now would be Labour running everything past Ed Davey. Not somebody you generally associate with big fiscal expansion (which is what Labour seem to be ruling out in the tweet he replies to). They aren't ignoring Brexit anyway.

The more I think about the way the world is going and climate migration the more I feel it's not the best of ideas.

I want a fairer voting system but if this lot are reduced to cinder it's probably the best example to use in favour of keeping it, I'm on the fence for now.

Keir’s job today was to offer hope. By cracky, he has done it, with knobs on.

“Government can be a force for good.”.

Delighted also to see my amazing former colleague, the superb Marie Tidball, introducing Keir from the platform.

Apparently, the twat that dumped glitter on Keir’s head was representing a group called “People Demand Democracy”, which apparently wants Starmer to "hold new national elections with a proportional voting system and set up a House of Citizens within six months of getting into office".

Well, good luck with that one. But again, TWAT.

Considering that Labour're receptive when it comes to PR, he probably hasn't done his cause any favours.

Anticipate polls to narrow as an election comes closer. That’s the common wisdom but it’s hard to see what ground the Tories will fight on as it won’t be their record or competence in tough times. Rifling around for reoffending villains whose cases were thrown out by the CPS under Starmer’s watch, would be my guess.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:30 pm Apparently, the twat that dumped glitter on Keir’s head was representing a group called “People Demand Democracy”, which apparently wants Starmer to "hold new national elections with a proportional voting system and set up a House of Citizens within six months of getting into office".

Well, good luck with that one. But again, TWAT.

Militant Lib Dems armed with glitter.

Youngian wrote:Anticipate polls to narrow as an election comes closer. That’s the common wisdom but it’s hard to see what ground the Tories will fight on as it won’t be their record or competence in tough times. Rifling around for reoffending villains whose cases were thrown out by the CPS under Starmer’s watch, would be my guess.

Probably a bit of Osborne-esque benefits bashing as they always do.

Also deeply irresponsible tax cuts to kick in after the election when they'll claim spending is going to fall massively in some unspecified way- which they're claiming anyway, as it happens.

Starmer stepped down as DPP in 2013. Sunak didn't become an MP till 2015.