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I'd just like them to win.

An election is still potentially fourteen months away and a lot can happen in that time. No amount of grand words can change that.

Dalem Lake wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:00 pm I'd like Starmer to set up something like a Royal Commission to look at a proper constitution for the running of the country because the last decade has shown that the use of conventions in governing just aren't worth shit anymore.

As my dad was fond of saying, "Unwritten rules aren't worth the paper they're printed on".

Look at thes absolute clowns. Starmer didn't say what his link says.

Don't trust the media unless it says something I can use against Starmer.

Mr Liberal Democacy, Ian Dunt, here.

The well-known legal argument of "party political war".

There’s legal ways to collapse land prices. Propose a rail yard to unload radioactive material would scare the bejeezus out of speculators (that’s a humorous illustrative example).
Accusing the Tories of being inept and having no ambition for the country won’t wash if Starmer shrugs his shoulders and says ‘well what can you do?’

Collapsing land values quickly would lead I assume lead you into court pretty sharpish.

Maybe a hint of where Starmer's coming from here.

That's one hell of a fiscal hole. I think it would be pretty hard to commit to HS2 on a non-bipartisan basis. Sunak does Starmer a political favour if he blocks off the possibility of HS2.

This is a good account for a pro-trans rights point of view. But why do people who are clearly clever fall for this sort of stuff? And follow obviously bad faith accouts because Starmer bad.

Haven't seen a retweet of the MRP poll.

Ignoring the message, those are the sort of numbers I'm inclined to believe - not the wipeout predicted elsewhere.

And... we could still be fifteen months from a GE.

'Stats for Lefties' has zero credibility.

For example, the subsequent Opinium poll had a 3 point Labour resurgence, after 3 days...

Noted.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:31 pm 'Stats for Lefties' has zero credibility.

I believe he’s that Dr Eion character, a daft as a brush CyberTrot who used to Tweet very silly cultish Corbyn stuff before getting a ban over something or other.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:24 pm Ignoring the message, those are the sort of numbers I'm inclined to believe - not the wipeout predicted elsewhere.

And... we could still be fifteen months from a GE.

On the other hand, Labour outperformed even very positive predictions in the by-election the other day vs the SNP, so while always good to be cautious, I think one less good poll well within margins of error from a hostile source probably needs taking with a good pinch of salt…

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:24 pm

Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:24 pm Ignoring the message, those are the sort of numbers I'm inclined to believe - not the wipeout predicted elsewhere.

And... we could still be fifteen months from a GE.

On the other hand, Labour outperformed even very positive predictions in the by-election the other day vs the SNP, so while always good to be cautious, I think one less good poll well within margins of error from a hostile source probably needs taking with a good pinch of salt…

I'd like to think the Tories are going to pay a heavy price for their last thirteen years (because they damned well should!) but somehow I think the only poll that counts will leave Labour with a small majority - certainly not the wipeout some are predicting. Starmer is right to tell people not to get giddy.

I think that 'hostile' poll (or perhaps the one that showed 42% to 29%) will probably be the accurate ones come polling day. Again, I would like to be proven wrong.

Starmer on the Kuenssberg show this morning (the excellent Vic Derbyshire subbing for LK) was calm, measured, assured, confident, and clear about Labour's vision for government. A cracking good performance.

Looking forward to an inspirational speech on Tuesday.

Considering Derbyshire takes no prisoners, that is encouraging.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:13 pm Brexit truth and reconciliation committee too.

"Fixed my lips, fixed my hat and I'm ready to go..."

Good luck with that.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:07 pm

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:13 pm Brexit truth and reconciliation committee too.

"Fixed my lips, fixed my hat and I'm ready to go..."

Oh goody. I already see the Tories circling the wagons on that one; ‘kangaroo court’ ‘politically motivated Remoaner judges’ ‘harassment by the London elites.’ And ‘are Labour appointing prosecuting magistrates like Italy?’ as if that’s a bad thing.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:17 pm Good luck with that.

Cynicism and eye-rolling defeatism are not universally positive attributes. Just thought I would mention that...

AI has a long way to go when Galloway doesn’t swallow it