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note: this is a poll of wards voting, which are all largely Tory. So this is considerably worse for the Tories than it initially seems

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 4:08 pm That awful noise you can hear is a load of Tory MPs collectively shitting themselves.

All that fury and bluster and no one has fallen for the distractions. What an utter waste of energy.

Healthy LD and Green showing could be an indication of a high willingness to vote tactically. Voters understood knew what to do in 1997.

Lots of those Other will be Tory localist types, who'll likely show up for them in a general election, but even so, that's terrible. You could say the same of Greens and Labour, and probably mostly of Lib Dems and Labour.

They just can't help themselves....................grasping twunts

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bying-firm

Meanwhile, real issues latest.

I can take or leave some of the gender neutral language, but I've got a funny feeling that Miriam Cates wouldn't win an argument with a philosopher.

Apparently Greg Hands had the nerve to go on TV and claim that the poor Tory results were the fault of Putin.

I mean, I hate Putin as much as the next reasonable person, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t put Liz Truss in office as an ‘upgrade’ to the worst PM this country has ever had.

I don’t know, the bloke checking ID at our polling station said he belonged to something called Wagner, or some composer

Polling station in North Lancaster last night.

John Redwood in with a strong contender for shittiest defence attempt of the day:

"Well we've been in government for 13 years so these local elections were always going to be a difficult time...".

Yeah, but they wouldn't be if you hadn't made such a fucking appalling mess of everything though. Surely that tells you something.

This contributor on Conservative Home knows what went wrong.

It's a shame people use local council elections to give the governing party a slap. But people are so fed up with illegal immigration they've had enough. That, net zero, high corporation tax, fuel prices, woke police, Whitehall doing everything it can to block brexit . Not stopping groups like just stop oil and other left wing protest groups has lead to this defeat.
A hung parliament will be a disaster as Cameron found out.

The Conservatives need a rethink. Dump the woke green policies. Get rid of socialists like Jeremy Hunt, Mitchell, get more ErG MPs in government and start acting like a Conservative party and not trying to emulate new Labour, the lib Dems and the Greens. Unless they do they will lose. Listen to the people Rishi Sunak.

...woke police...

So it's now "woke" to start weeding out the rapists, the murderers, the corrupt, the plain incompetent &c &c?

"Woke" seems to be

1) doing a lot of work in Tories' heads, and
2) showing the filthy inhuman unintelligent and downright stupid scum for what they are.

I fucking hate Tories.

I think that what they're saying is the only way they can stay in power is to stop elections and have the police clobber anyone who complains.

Quite. They parade "woke" as their blue badge for despicable mental and social deficiencies.

Horrible people.

For the good of the country no but otherwise fuck yeh.

Does that mean there's a difference between de piffle, and a democratically elected leader?

I really, really hope the Tory grassroots try to bring back Johnson. Because nothing would deliver a Labour landslide and healthy Lib Dem resurgence at next year’s GE like a party of absolute arseholes all furiously backstabbing each other for months and the re-emergence of someone who’s now starting to make Trump look like a paragon of virtue.

Bring back Boris to finish the job indeed. The job being the complete destruction of the modern Conservative Party - the perfect epilogue to his disastrous, disgusting premiership.

If certain Tories feel they're gettin' hammered because they're not going balls deep enough into the hard-right, logic should tell us that Reform & UKIP whould be making headway in this regard, surely?

Looking at the Beeb's continuously updated England council results page, the elected councillors for UKIP so far are 0 elected (down 7) and for Reform, 0 elected (no change).

The Tories are losing council seats 'cos wokeness? Chinny reckon...

In part, I wonder if this is “we’ve basically got a year left, let’s get some weapons-grade bigot policies in while we have a chance” thinking, in the hope it might save a few MPs and/or give Labour more to undo to even get back to a humane baseline.

Also, moving the Overton window.