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Re: The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:48 pm
by The Weeping Angel
An objective look at this bill would be to look at the pros and cons. Instead crabcakes has just dismissed any objections as people as being uncomfortable about death or they're religious types and you can't trust them can you?

Re: The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:30 pm
by Crabcakes
The Weeping Angel wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 12:27 pm Except you haven't been objective. You're supporting this bill wholeheartedly which you're of course entitled to do. Any complaints about the bill are dismissed out of hand and of course the people doing them are uncomfortable with death or religious types like catholics. So no you haven't been objective about this.
I meant about the article, really - I deliberately left out mentioning the medical doctor whose argument is just “I don’t agree, we should do this” and just said the other points were quite interesting given the previous articles about the Canadian system. Whereas she seemed thoroughly subjective, and so would be quite a poor ‘spokesperson’ for the anti-euthanasia argument. As I say though, you’re perfectly welcome to draw attention to her being in the article as well - but I would suspect it’d have more of a Streisand effect than anything else.

All that said, you can be objective and have an opinion - even a strong one. I am just yet to be swayed otherwise. I dismiss things because I remain unconvinced of the merits of any anti-arguments, as they’re either technicalities, fearmongering, whataboutery or dogma. That’s why I specifically mention people with a strong religious bent in particular (such as the lady in the BBC article) as they should have next to no influence on any decision given they have zero objectivity. They can’t possibly approach the matter logically if they fear eternal punishment for supporting it and/or believe in an afterlife that must be earned and a life that must be lived until their deity decides time is up.

I’d be equally furious at anyone denying someone any other medical treatment based on dogma, for example. So it’s not just death but the extension of life as well.

Re: The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:36 pm
by Crabcakes
PS on a more practical front, I posted in February about proposed changes to the bill I would happily support, so I demonstrably don’t just dismiss things out of hand.

Re: The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:40 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Fair enough.