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The Greens, reanimating the "Al Gore had a lift on a private jet" meme.

And another. The objection to Sunak is that the private flights are only happening because he won't use (easily available) public transport (for which his government are responsible). I'm guessing the situation in Qatar may not be quite the same.

The Greens don't seem to be doing well in council by-elections. Labour will be encouraged by that. In 2015, the Greens were a big nuisance to them.

Greens for show, Red for pro. Possible people are concentrating on getting the Tories out, or Labour unity and message discipline is cutting through.

Doesn’t particularly seem that way though. LDs seem to do well mind so I do think of all the parties there numbers might actually be higher. I think if you are Labour you feel slightly more open to the LDs than say the Greens considering what’s happened in recent months with the movement of certain people over there.

I also can’t really take a party that up until last year was against NATO all that seriously, I’m sorry, they still feel like small c conservatives in some places as well.

I can actually see them gain Bristol and lose Brighton. Shame as I think the Bristol MP is one of the better Labour ones, then again Brighton I learnt only this week is being challenged by a former member of the ban Gomez for Labour, which I’m a fan of as they came from Southport.

I wonder how many Labour voters are more sympathetic to the Lib Dems because, 2010 notwithstanding, they're seen as our reserve team whereas the Greens are a different, still comparatively unknown, entity.

Why do they talk this rubbish? Number of empty homes is very small compared to other countries, and lots of them are in places nobody much wants to live.

Of course, I think you don't just need market rate private housing. But aside from reducing rents for lots of people, it surely helps to raise funds to build social housing with?

It'll be hard for Labour to build what they're saying they will, but they must be doing cartwheels at how the Greens are going down this silly road.

She is right in saying alone it will be not enough, none of the plans will help either mind.

This looks brave. The £70bn wealth tax is apparently raised solely off the 1%. This is basically "add up the cost of stuff we want to pay for and make a number for the tax that we'll get out of people who aren't us".

£16 minimum wage for the whole of the UK is £3.26 more than the rate in Massachusetts, the richest state in America. This is absolutely mad.

On the other hand, their childbirth nonsense is the absolute worst sort of naturalist hippie holier than thou bullshit you’d have hoped they were moving away from.

On the other hand, their childbirth nonsense is the absolute worst sort of naturalist hippie holier than thou bullshit you’d have hoped they were moving away from.

What’s that about?

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:36 pm

On the other hand, their childbirth nonsense is the absolute worst sort of naturalist hippie holier than thou bullshit you’d have hoped they were moving away from.

What’s that about?

They had a pledge (now revoked after huge blowback) that they would minimise procedures around birth and de-medicalise it - basically the natural birth brigade out to try and strongarm every pregnant person into having some sort of handmaid’s tale-style natural experience with no drugs and no caesarean option unless an absolute medical emergency. And if you don’t do this it’s not a ‘proper’ birth experience in their opinion and you’re a lesser person because of it.

Complete elitist horse shit of the worst order.

That’s bought back memories that anti-science bullshit was alive and well among youthful dipsticks well before the digital age. All politicians spread lies and in it for themselves, man. But let’s follow the teachings of some jerk off who believes in lay lines and cancer curing magnets. Fell out with a friend in the 90s for giving her a mouthful, she wanted to have her baby in a grotty bus. She’s probably an anti lockdown and 5G protester these days.

Maybe I've been harsh about the local Greens. A credible looking tactical voting site has put them ahead of Labour. I disagree and won't be voting for them (unlike in the local elections). But it's stll overwhelmingly likely that we're stuck with Sir Bill Wiggin. The way it's going, Sir Bill could be Tory leader after the election, with Rebecca Harris (Castle Point) as his deputy, and everyone else appointed from the Lords.

Is Sir Bill an old school shire Tory?

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:50 pm Is Sir Bill an old school shire Tory?

Whatever else, the man's a cunt.

Whatever else

A libertarian weirdo like Rees-mogg or Truss parachuted into a rural seat. A traditionally shire Tory likes a quiet life.

The interview referred to here is genuinely worth tracking down in its (admittedly brief) entirety. Everything about Robinson’s language and tone - the constant interruptions in particular - being a way to signal to the audience, ‘This person and everything they stand for is ludicrously insane, and it is frankly ridiculous that they should be permitted to speak for even the short periods I’m willing to allow before I start talking over them again.’

Lots of experts oppose wealth taxes for good reasons, so it's reasonable to point that out. But if it's just the usual "politics of envy" bollocks then that's not reasonable.

I was interviewed today by someone I thought was from the Green Party but was probably from local tv news. Ellie Chowns' candidacy has got noticed.

I went on a bit, and some of it was me pointing out stuff I didn't support. Hope they don't use it. They'll probably be somebody they interviewed did the full "Fucking hippy party".