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davidjay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:43 am Remember when we thought that he night not be the brightest but at least he was basically honest?

Wasn’t bothered whether he was a straight dangerous lightweight out of his depth or a dishonest one.

Once again we see a particularly British problem.

The conceit that a completely unqualified "trier" can walk into he top tier of a technical (whether financial, IT or manufacturing) enterprise, and then succeed through positivity, connections and force of will.

Here's Cameron who claimed he knew all about the business and could punt its services to government.
Now it's gone tit-s up he's all "I don't understand this tricky finance stuff, don't blame me".

I'll float a couple of similar cases - the first particularly close to my cold dark heart.

The Project manager who insists on rigid control, usually enforced through rationing information to the implementors.
When it all goes tits up it's "I'm not technical, it's up to you to spot and resolve those issues".

Or a recent one.

The Brexiteers, with "They need us more ...", "German car manufacturers" and "Think of the fishermen".
Now it's all going tit's up it's "Remoaner saboteurs", "Barnier!!!".

Back in the war, Churchill issued a memo to allied propaganda producers, telling them to cultivate the idea of the spirited amateur, as opposed to the machine-like soulless Germans. Never mind that the opposite was the reality.

But yes, you see it a lot in western culture, the idea that if you stay true to yourself and follow your dreams, you somehow earn your happy ending. Rather than be beaten to it by the people who know what they're doing.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:04 am Back in the war, Churchill issued a memo to allied propaganda producers, telling them to cultivate the idea of the spirited amateur, as opposed to the machine-like soulless Germans. Never mind that the opposite was the reality.

I've seen YouTube videos like that - "tinkerers", "encourage people to have a go". Unfortunately it involves people mending cars, sometimes with the minimum of clue.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:04 am Back in the war, Churchill issued a memo to allied propaganda producers, telling them to cultivate the idea of the spirited amateur, as opposed to the machine-like soulless Germans. Never mind that the opposite was the reality.

But yes, you see it a lot in western culture, the idea that if you stay true to yourself and follow your dreams, you somehow earn your happy ending. Rather than be beaten to it by the people who know what they're doing.

We've had enough of experts. We'll muddle through, just like we did in the war. And it's working so well.

We even have the term "Have a go hero" - before the tabloids pinched it to praise vigilantes.

A handsome reward for flushing your country down the toilet

I'm assuming there are people owed money by Greensill when it collapsed. Anyone know of a former Prime Minister who could well afford to chip in some money for them?

Watching the Panorama programme now. Wow.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:49 pm Watching the Panorama programme now. Wow.

Just when you thought you couldn't loathe Cameron any more than you do already. Excellent work from Adam Verity in explaining a very familiar corporate scam; invent sales to raise your stock price and suck in more investors. Who contrary to belief aren't greedy but are looking for stability which a factoring market provides. And the iceing on the cake for this grift in stability is a former conservative PM of a G7 nation. Cameron's case is that he was just Tim nice but Dim who didn't do all this numbers stuff. And of course conveniently didn't take a directorship so he's not legally responsible. His idea no doubt. Fucking weasel was numerate enough to know when to dump his pumped stock. And go to the BoE to explain why loans were needed on stuff he knew nothing about. And Dave's 'renumeration' is a private matter. Gentleman amatuer Dave is really a spivvy conniving cunt just like Farage but in a posher club.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:23 pm I'm assuming there are people owed money by Greensill when it collapsed. Anyone know of a former Prime Minister who could well afford to chip in some money for them?

Yeah, but you know shit like that only happens in the Disney films, right Tubs.

Cameron will have taken good advice to avoid any personal liability and have a couple of layers of shell company between him and and commoners.

Funny thing, is public school/aristocratic "honour".

Picking someone's pocket, or mugging them, totally beyond the pale. But offering a once in a lifetime opportunity to invest, or taking advantage of an open wallet, well, that's the other guy's fault for being stupid/not reading the small print/dropping their guard.

They are a bunch of immoral thieves.
He is a dodgy chancer.
I am an entrepreneur.

For people who regard anything relating to business as vulgar, the upper echelons are surprisingly happy about the right kind of people making the wrong kind of money.

After sacrificing his lolly making activities to be PM, Cameron fell behind his pals and needed a quick heist to be accepted back at the table. He wasn’t so naive about being handed Brexit but calculating the moves ahead there isn’t that tricky.

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:28 pm For people who regard anything relating to business as vulgar, the upper echelons are surprisingly happy about the right kind of people making the wrong kind of money.

No, it's only vulgar to talk about it in polite company.

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:28 pm For people who regard anything relating to business as vulgar, the upper echelons are surprisingly happy about the right kind of people making the wrong kind of money.

Different strands of upper class. These are the grubby uncultured types, frankly.

Does Sam note to Dave how well Nick Clegg is doing for himself?

After his part in the Greensill Capital lobbying scandal, David Cameron leapt at the chance to help to deliver a shipment of supplies for Ukrainian refugees in neighbouring Poland. The former PR man naturally made sure his mercy mission was well-documented on social and traditional media.

The former prime minister has been finding speaking engagements thin on the ground since the Greensill story broke

I’m told what really hurts Cameron is that it’s his wife, Samantha, who is now the real breadwinner in the household, with Cefinn, the fashion label she started after giving up on designer stationery, about to report record profits.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/canny- ... e-good-pr/

As the Mail likes to say ‘a string of unanswered questions.’

When he got out of the car...

I was gobsmacked. Surely not? The man's a...