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Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:40 am
by Abernathy
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:35 am Interesting idea, and one which must have occurred. I suppose that the DNC would not want Biden's presidency to end that way.

Out if interest, in that scenario (similar to Johnson) who becomes vp?
I dunno, but logically I'm guessing that Harris just slotting her chosen running mate for November in without being elected would not be acceptable. I think they might just go without a Veep for the time being with the proviso that the Speaker of the House would step up if anything happened to Harris before November.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:46 am
by Abernathy
Youngian wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:38 am There’s a tongue in cheek conspiracy that Joe made the decision to step down months ago but waited until Trump ramped up the Biden’s too old and doddery narrative. Now Dementia Don has to eat his own shit.

Indeed. I heard an American commentator saying that the election would now be a black woman versus an orange man. :)

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:51 am
by Youngian
A predictable take from Farage, Democrats have no chance with a darkie bird standing.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:59 am
by Abernathy
Other advantages for Harris : she has a record as a forensically sharp prosecutor who will be able to dismantle the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon Trump's lies and bullshit in much the same way as Starmer gave Johnson enough rope and got him to step onto the trap door.

"Women's issues" will be to the fore in this election campaign. Many millions of women in America remain furiously angry that Trump's Supreme Court appointees scrapped Roe vs. Wade. Kamala will be raising this at every turn, and female votes in the swing states could see Harris home.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:58 pm
by Youngian
Harris could pull a wide coalition of voters together but judging by the Milwaukee conference, I don’t see Trump reaching out beyond his base.

Mystic Dan the prediction man

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:39 pm
by Samanfur
I understand that Joe Manchin's considering rejoining the Democrats and putting himself forward. Showing as nakedly as possible that he doesn't care which side he's on or if he screws the country over, as long as he wins.

Hopefully, people will take note.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:41 pm
by Samanfur
Youngian wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:49 am
Samanfur wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:40 am I'm hoping for Mark Kelly. His history with the police will put some off, but his blue collar background, military experience and personal experience of gun violence would really screw with Trump's attacks.
And an astronaut. Bloomin eck, he’s from central casting.
Yup. Look up his twin brother, Scott, as well.

"Donald, when I say it's not rocket science..."

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:14 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Manchin says he's not running, but he's going to stay involved, whatever that means.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:25 pm
by Abernathy
Youngian wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:58 pm Harris could pull a wide coalition of voters together but judging by the Milwaukee conference, I don’t see Trump reaching out beyond his base.
Well, yes. Talk about the fucking lunatics taking over the asylum. :shock:

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:51 pm
by satnav
Trump lost last time because a lot of women who voted for him in 2016 turned their back on him in 2020. Hopefully Harris might be able to appeal to those female voters who fell out with Trump in 2020.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:31 pm
by Crabcakes
Mark Kelly would be a bad choice, but only in this election. His seat isn’t up at the moment, but is a competitive one. Him vacating it would put another potential battleground in play. So I think circumstances will count him out.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:42 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Philip Marlow wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:32 am Pelosi apparently suggested that she’d support an open convention if Biden stepped down, which strikes me as a recipe for all kinds of disasters.

Ah well, at least America’s finest news source is maintaining its high standards of reporting amidst the chaos.


Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:45 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:35 am Interesting idea, and one which must have occurred. I suppose that the DNC would not want Biden's presidency to end that way.

Out if interest, in that scenario (similar to Johnson) who becomes vp?
A new VP would have to be confirmed by Congress and the Republican house would refuse to confirm one.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:22 pm
by Youngian
Massive blow for VP Harris

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:25 pm
by Abernathy
And there is the essential problem. There are about 7 million Kerry "brains of a fucking pedal bin" Katonas (and Hulk Hogans) in the USA.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:32 pm
by Youngian
Abernathy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:25 pm And there is the essential problem. There are about 7 million Kerry "brains of a fucking pedal bin" Katonas (and Hulk Hogans) in the USA.
https://x.com/amosonokevbagbe/status/18 ... 96692?s=46

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:37 pm
by Abernathy
Something just occurred to me. It’s that the terminology of Trump having survived an attempted “assassination” isn’t quite right. He isn’t worthy of an attempted “assassination” attempt. Jack and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Malcolm X. Indira Ghandi. Anwar Sadat.

Somehow, an attempt to “assassinate” Trump seems just… undeserved. Inappropriate. Wrong.

What happened to Trump was an attempt to end the capability of a despicable, destructive, and fundamentally corrupt being to inflict any more damage on society beyond that which he has already perpetrated, that should not be categorised alongside other, actual assassinations. For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying that assassination is an acceptable resort in any circumstances. But in Trump’s case, I very nearly am.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:53 pm
by The Weeping Angel
But it was an assasination attempt. I mean I hate to go all Godwin but people tried to assasinate Hitler and they're still counted as assasination attempts and it's not like Anwar Sadat or Indira Ghandhi were angels either.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:54 pm
by satnav
I'm now really getting hacked off with the BBC repeatedly banging on about the various gaffes that Biden and Harris have made in the last few years. This really is utterly pathetic especially when they conveniently forget to mention all the gaffes that Trump has made. Trump probably made slightly fewer gaffes as president because he spent more time on the golf course than in the White House. But he certainly did have a number of gaffes especially when he told people to drink bleach.

Re: Over in America...

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:09 pm
by The Weeping Angel
It's not just the BBC there's a lot of American outlets who tend to sane wash Trump and play down a lot of what he says or just dismiss it as Trump being Trump. Whereas they will bounce on anything Biden says or does to get their story.