Mailwatch(ed) Forum

There's a pretty big point being missed that the next election will be decided as much by voter determination as voter intention, and even the most ardent Tory would have to have doubts about getting out of bed and down to the church hall to endorse another chapter of the Clusterfuck Roadshow and it's rotating headliners.

Matt's working on the next talking point. Bloke who works for Opinium and used to work for yougov wants to be a Labour MP.

This is indeed totally unprecedented. Apart from that guy who set yougov up becoming a Conservative MP. Or indeed Lord Ashcroft becoming a pollster.

I think Goodwin is just jealous that people generally like Curtis.

I may have asked this before, but what is Goodwin's popularity/reputation based on? Did he famously call an unlikely election result accurately? Or does he just provide a convenient academic veneer to standard sub-Spiked "blame the clever bastards" stuff?

That's the one.

Plus his "reallignment" stuff. Anything doesn't work "they didn't understand the reallignment".

Suella Braverman is one reaction to the Tories imploding if they do next time out, it’s ultimately the wrong decision but it is one.

What I know about my Brexit Tory relatives and acquaintances is a) not one of them cared about too many East European nannies and farm workers and b) there’s no way they’d put Braverman, Badenoch or Sunak into No 10.

And I bet they all knew “what they were voting for!”

Watchman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:37 am And I bet they all knew “what they were voting for!”

None bring the subject up and neither do I as they know I was right.

They did. It was all things to all people. That was the problem.

Who says Britain's bad? Look at Italy and Argentina, says Matt.

Who says everything bad in Britain is caused by Brexit anyway?

The guys getting desperate.

Argentina has another reshuffle, oh the horror, our Current/last PM will last a whole 6 weeks and it went even due to scandal that did for her.

Literally every single one of those he has listed could have been listed several times in the last 30 years, a PM lasting 6 weeks due to policy? Never. And why is this? Because the Tory party is totally fractured and the one thing it used to focus on it can’t because it committed suicide by leaving it.

Maybe just maybe the issue was never Europe and we are only finding out now why, it is morphing into the Republican Party it’s only point is to win elections, be fucked if we do anything once we get into power. Odd how they are both closely aligned.

"France passes budget" is another good one.

It's pretty striking that they can pass a budget like that, but they can. With such a fragmented parliament, they can do this and challenge the disparate opposition to bring them down, which has never happened because they don't want to line up with Le Pen/ Melenchon/ whoever.

That's not really like a PM resigning in 6 weeks because her main policy crashed the markets, is it?

I'm struggling to see a downside here.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:50 pm I'm struggling to see a downside here.

People like that are very susceptible to a man in a nice suit telling them about betrayals and scapegoats. That's the downside.

I always wondered if these people existed, seems they did, all good.

Well, this has aged well.

I'm not subscribing to his substack. It probably says "Red Wall voters don't care about poncy metropolitan stuff like the Ministerial Code" and "anyway John Hayes is their authentic voice"

If Sunak polling returns to Truss levels, Hayes maybe leading seven Tory MPs in parliament.