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Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 pm Oh man. Rachel Reeves is now being accused of "performatively boasting of being poorly read" for saying she hasn't read Das Kapital.

I've got 2 degrees *and* come from a working class background, and I haven't even seen Das Boot. Am I boasting or an overachiever?

Ha ha.

Jo Grady isn't an economist, but an expert in industrial relations. Perhaps we should suggest what she should have read.

Nothing like a pie, pint and some dialectical materialism after a hard day at mill.

Working men's clubs with libraries fizzled out a long time ago. Those still open have cheap beer and strippers.

It's all a bit Robert Tressell, "Ah'm back from 12 hours down pit, mother. Now off to institute to read up on dialectical materialism, don't wait up."

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:58 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 pm Oh man. Rachel Reeves is now being accused of "performatively boasting of being poorly read" for saying she hasn't read Das Kapital.

I've got 2 degrees *and* come from a working class background, and I haven't even seen Das Boot. Am I boasting or an overachiever?

I've one degree and I haven't read Das Kapital I have however read Stalin: The court of the Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montiefiere which is a far better book to read.

Fuck you both. I'm working my way through Dan Abnett's Warhammer 40,000 books and they're awesome and full of explosions.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:50 pm Working men's clubs with libraries fizzled out a long time ago. Those still open have cheap beer and strippers.

It's all a bit Robert Tressell, "Ah'm back from 12 hours down pit, mother. Now off to institute to read up on dialectical materialism, don't wait up."

Yeah. But Bad Rachel Not Proper Labour.

Has Jez read it?

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:36 pm Nothing like a pie, pint and some dialectical materialism after a hard day at mill.

Do you reckon that Welsh guy who advised Chavez had read the whole of Das Kapital?

Let's put him in charge.

I read Das Kapital when I was 14.

Well, I read a bit of it and decided I wasn't a commie after all because I didn't understand it.

(Actually, I think I read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropist soon after).

Right, well I went to the shop and I bought ....oh hang on, that's not what we're playing, is it?

I read the first few pages (possibly a chapter) of Das Kapital aged about 15 or 16, I gave up because it made my head throb. I bought a copy of "Marx for Beginners" instead which is much easier - it has pictures and jokes and everything!

I've watched Das Boot twice, once in the 1980s and again last year in lockdown.

I have one degree (which included Economics) and a masters and a cycling proficiency badge (which didn't).

Thank you.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:20 pm Fuck you both. I'm working my way through Dan Abnett's Warhammer 40,000 books and they're awesome and full of explosions.

Does Das Kapital contain a passage like this?

Mine didn't have any pictures, either.

Remember dipping into Das Kapital and being far less dull than its subject suggests. Reads like a pseudo-science detective story strongly influenced by a real one; the Origin of the Species (Marx describes class struggle as an evolutionary process). Marx and Engels held Darwin in great esteem but never reciprocated.

The above image comes from the novel Horus Rising by Dan Abnett I'm sorry it took time to get the image uploaded.

Aaargh! On top of everything else I've gone blind!

I don't really get this. Nobody's sitting around waiting for a comprehensive plan from the leader of the opposition. Criticisms are out there and we can judge them on their merits. Does he think Boris Johnson would have published one in opposition?

A Jez fan below the line points out that Jez has done 3 comprehensive plans- ie written 3 letters. I don't get what's the big difference is really.

and labour are in a position to implement this?

It's all part of trying to look like a government in waiting, but it's a calculated risk. Johnson and his team are shameless and will steal any idea they fancy and make out it was always theirs in the first place, and there's huge scope for looking too cautious if Johnson's gamble pays off. But what there has been could easily have been assembled into a sensible looking, simple package.

I think Labour were spot on with what they did as for captain hindsight if you look throughout the last years it more like captain foresight.

I think they need to address that Captain Hindsight bollocks. Humble old Keir could tell people "I haven't got it all right. But here's a few things I did say..."