Mailwatch(ed) Forum

According to Gabriel Pogrund:

Nice to see the Brains Trust have showed up below the line.

A Nipper SpeKes her braNeS

Who made this "must be same structure as the Cabinet " rule? Does politics only happen when the Secretary of State announces something in Parliament? Not that it's a problem to put up eg Streeting there when there's a debate on child poverty.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:26 pm A Nipper SpeKes her braNeS

Northern Independence and Free Assange.

So the Government can create any sort of role it wants (Mark Francois was once Minister for Portsmouth, among other things). But Labour having a Shadow for Child Poverty is bad?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:28 pm

Who made this "must be same structure as the Cabinet " rule? Does politics only happen when the Secretary of State announces something in Parliament? Not that it's a problem to put up eg Streeting there when there's a debate on child poverty.

I'm unclear - is this the Mail trying to wind people up, or is it another example of their ignorance and stupidity?

That Mail bloke is often OK on Twitter. Probably just finds it odd.

Ah, in fairness, those jobs have the Title "Shadow Secretary of State for...".

@Tubby Isaacs

1) The Mail is never fair.
2) Perhaps they will become Secretaries of State if Labour forms a government. 'Shadow' has two meanings in this context. One is that it is the position the party wants to reach.

It seems the Nandy getitng sacked rumours came from Rayner's team.

This sort of stuff always sounds clever, but all politicians do this when they reshuffle. So what?

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:52 pm @Tubby Isaacs

1) The Mail is never fair.
2) Perhaps they will become Secretaries of State if Labour forms a government. 'Shadow' has two meanings in this context. One is that it is the position the party wants to reach.

Could be that meaning of shadow, but my guess is not. More likely these are for opposition, where the hope is that they can make more of an impact with the focus on themes where Starmer thinks the Government is vulnerable. Think that's worth a go. Not much reason to have eg mental health with a separate ministry in Government.

Somewhere some people will be congratulating themselves on heading off the reshuffle whereby Mandelson, David Owen and Reg Prentice would have been brought into the Shadow Cabinet.

How worrying is this?

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:21 pm How worrying is this?

Not a huge surprise, as Bristol seems to be possibly the most Corbyn-friendly area outside Islington for some reason. Lots of disaffected Corbynites socking it to Starmer the Cop by voting Green.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is something we start seeing more of over the coming years, i.e. Labour facing a real battle with the Greens in some of the university seats. Labour need to be very savvy with who they chose as candidates for these constituencies in future.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:59 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:21 pm How worrying is this?

Not a huge surprise, as Bristol seems to be possibly the most Corbyn-friendly area outside Islington for some reason. Lots of disaffected Corbynites socking it to Starmer the Cop by voting Green.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is something we start seeing more of over the coming years, i.e. Labour facing a real battle with the Greens in some of the university seats. Labour need to be very savvy with who they chose as candidates for these constituencies in future.

That's true and annoying as did bloody woman from politics Joe was right about Labour loisng voters to the Greens and Lib Dems because they're too right-wing.

Replacing Nick Brown is "Mandelson's revenge" asserts John "policies not personslities" McDonnell.