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Khan's priority is laudable, in my book. Enough is enough. Even if the voters being scooped off burning Greek beaches don't ram home the point about climate change, he has sat with too many grieving parents of gassed children to let it pass

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:31 pm That sounds like very poor design. Is air quality that bad at night anyway? Why does it apply then when the Congestion Charge doesn't?

It's simply the times that the charging applies - midnight to midnight. It seems to have been an oversight. When Crit'Air appeared in Paris there were numerous changes along the way to the current time but the charging period was more or less office hours - 07:00 to 19:00 rings a bell?

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:09 pm One thing that is worth noting is that the charge stops/starts at midnight so it is quite possible to get charged £25 on a ten minute journey.

I'm not terribly convinced that folks without Euro 4/Euro 6 vehicles are a minority either. Like I said earlier, pity the poor sod delivering for Uber Eats or parcels for Evri.

Quite possible? Statistically, yes, but only if you are determined to drive a 1968 Mister Whippy down the Old Kent Road in the wee small hours.

Also, Amazon only delivers until 22:00 and could easily levy a premium for those who can't wait for their order to accompany their cornflakes. Won't someone think of the cocaine runners? Such are the privations of modern life.

These excuses for inaction are, at best, rather fanciful. (That's French for "bollocks", don't you know?)

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Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:06 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:31 pm That sounds like very poor design. Is air quality that bad at night anyway? Why does it apply then when the Congestion Charge doesn't?

It's simply the times that the charging applies - midnight to midnight. It seems to have been an oversight. When Crit'Air appeared in Paris there were numerous changes along the way to the current time but the charging period was more or less office hours - 07:00 to 19:00 rings a bell?

Those times seem much more sensible. I just don't get why it doesn't have congestion charge timings to it.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:12 pm When you come and live in this country again Kreuzberger, I'll listen you you.

Until then - fuck off.

A little brusque, one might think.

Especially, considering that those braying, "Chels"-supporting white van drivers of Ickefuckinham are emblematic of the cause of child poisonings in inner cities and are now going to the ballot box in defence of their tory-given right to pollute whatever they fucking like.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:10 pm
Quite possible? Statistically, yes, but only if you are determined to drive a 1968 Mister Whippy down the Old Kent Road in the wee small hours.

Also, Amazon only delivers until 22:00 and could easily levy a premium for those who can't wait for their order to accompany their cornflakes. Won't someone think of the cocaine runners? Such are the privations of modern life.

These excuses for inaction are, at best, rather fanciful. (That's French for "bollocks", don't you know?)

It isn't just Amazon couriers though- I appreciate we've talked about them a lot. It's also night shiftworkers, of whom there are going to be shedloads not particularly well-off ones at Heathrow and adjacent industrial estates alone. I don't get how they can be poisoning kids by driving to work and coming home when the kids are in bed.

The design sounds unnecessarily sloppy, and a gift to people who think it's about "Khan raising money".

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:20 pm
A little brusque, one might think.

Especially, considering that those braying, "Chels"-supporting white van drivers of Ickefuckinham are emblematic of the cause of child poisonings in inner cities and are now going to the ballot box in defence of their tory-given right to pollute whatever they fucking like.

It was a bit brusque but even the biggest white van cunt in Ickenham is probably not driving the van around for a laugh. He'll be working. You have to be very careful about taxing that regressively.

If you can't formulate a post without scurrying back to try to draw its poison...

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:12 pm Until then - fuck off.

(Later addition:) I'm not saying there should be no action, because there should; it's just it has been miscalculated and misjudged.

Be my guest.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:22 pm

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:10 pm
Quite possible? Statistically, yes, but only if you are determined to drive a 1968 Mister Whippy down the Old Kent Road in the wee small hours.

Also, Amazon only delivers until 22:00 and could easily levy a premium for those who can't wait for their order to accompany their cornflakes. Won't someone think of the cocaine runners? Such are the privations of modern life.

These excuses for inaction are, at best, rather fanciful. (That's French for "bollocks", don't you know?)

It isn't just Amazon couriers though- I appreciate we've talked about them a lot. It's also night shiftworkers, of whom there are going to be shedloads not particularly well-off ones at Heathrow and adjacent industrial estates alone. I don't get how they can be poisoning kids by driving to work and coming home when the kids are in bed.

The design sounds unnecessarily sloppy, and a gift to people who think it's about "Khan raising money".

Dear God, when this whole matter creeps into the normally peaceful and genteel world of my model train collector society you know it's a 'big issue'. I noticed that the vice-chairman, no less has now waded in and told people to stop making derogatory remarks about Khan and to go back and delete them. I've only ever seen one thread there removed in my time...

But taking your latter point Tubbs, pollution doesn't sleep - I'd be more concerned about inadequate accommodation for many.

Elsewhere - no doubt rattled by this - I have seen a loyal Tory supporter drag up Attlee selling the design of the Nene jet engines to the Russians...

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:24 pm

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:20 pm
A little brusque, one might think.

Especially, considering that those braying, "Chels"-supporting white van drivers of Ickefuckinham are emblematic of the cause of child poisonings in inner cities and are now going to the ballot box in defence of their tory-given right to pollute whatever they fucking like.

It was a bit brusque but even the biggest white van cunt in Ickenham is probably not driving the van around for a laugh. He'll be working. You have to be very careful about taxing that regressively.

Indeed, gassing children and adding to the global pollution account is not "a laugh" either. When modest adaptations of behaviour are just too much to ask, there is always the equivalent of "London Weightings". They have existed since god was a girl.

Does the pollution not dissipate a bit? If not, then I've got the "congestion charge" point completely wrong. Though perhaps there's an argument for not charging at night on the basis of available public transport?

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:33 pm
Indeed, gassing children and adding to the global pollution account is not "a laugh" either. When modest adaptations of behaviour are just too much to ask, there is always the equivalent of "London Weightings". They have existed since god was a girl.

They aren't the only ones causing pollution though. The compliant cars are doing that too, and not being asked to pay anything.

London Weighting is what bigger employers do, and Heathrow is a big employer. But how would you make them pay?

A penny on the passenger levy would more than settle that account and a tax code suffix would identify who is entitled. Apparently, they even have computers on The Island.

Personally, I agree with Berlin's vehicle taxation structure which borders on the anal rape for anything above a certain engine capacity. Somewhat less officially, there are now the @T_Extinguishers (Tyre Extinguishers) who target SUVs and who "will make it impossible to own an SUV in the world's urban areas. For climate, health, public safety."

Lots of things would pay for it, but they can't be made to pay for it by Sadiq Khan. That's the problem he and Labour have before the election.

I do get that but therein also lies the difference. Labour are transporting the precious vase, although Khan is concentrating on what the destination looks like when they get there. Ideally, it won't resemble Rhodes, but that is neither a given, nor is there any wriggle-room on the climate.

George is supposed to be the political editor of the New Statesman

Selby was 237th on the target list. George rows back pretty quickly.

From 2019.

Thought this was a decent hold by Labour, given that the seat was quite Brexity. I don't recall too many Jez fans telling us how shit it was that Labour had lost 17% vote share and 12,500 votes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pete ... y-election

Peterborough hasn’t been so Brexity since farmers confirmed not one loud mouthed racist arsehole has applied for a job in the sector.
Some strong candidates for Labour’s PPC in Peterborough, a welcome first.