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341 here. Peterborough, to my surprise, is 84.

Lancaster higher on the list than I'd expect. Grimsby in the shitter as I would expect.

171 here, with urban Darwen significantly more deprived than rural Rossendale.

329

Not bad for a foetid shithole...

mattomac wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:47 pm Bit like Cornwall and Devon (away from the cities).

Was Harrow being well run? I know most of the issues in Croydon seems to be down to the fact it’s run a bit poorly.

Tower Hamlets has hurt Labour gains in London but it’s all Independent gain.

The Tories do well with Hindu voters nowadays, and have gone after them with various degrees of scrupulousness. Johnson discussing visas with Modi is probably very positive for them, building on the surprising (to lots of us) number of Asian Brexiters.

The Tories do well with Hindu voters nowadays

Is that an East African Asian vote rather than a religious affiliation trend? (Zac Goldsmith’s tacky anti-Muslim leaflets went down very badly with Hindu voters). Saw a polling company map in which its was only London and Leicester that identified as British over English. Understandable East African Asians have an emotional tie to Britishness. The only other spots that did outside of England were in Northern Ireland.

Article here. Sounds like it's Indian Hindus, not East African Asians, who are being particularly targeted.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/harrow- ... s-whatsapp

While brown on brown racism does exist, many Hindus and Sikhs see Islamophobia for what it is, and know that they're just as likely to be targeted; they just happen to be convenient right now.

Without a strong third party Labour will not get a majority, that’s something else not being discussed

Without Scotland, or a major sea change.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 5:08 pm That's interesting. There's a fair bit of poverty in Bridgewater, judging by this list.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/som ... eas-925906

I don't suppose it's different to a lot of rural towns. Poor public transport, large supermarkets on the edge of town, great if you have a car otherwise it's hope the local Nisa have got what you want and you can afford it.

Momentum rent a gob Mish Rahman says the local election results were not good enough,

https://labourlist.org/2022/05/by-deliv ... he-future/

But Labour was not the main beneficiary. Welcome gains in London, including in Wandsworth and Westminster where Momentum activists mobilised strongly and left wingers are set to take key positions, were wiped out by disastrous defeats in Croydon, Harrow and, most spectacularly, Tower Hamlets – another reminder of Labour’s failing of Muslim voters. Across England, Labour made a net gain of just 21 councillors, far fewer than the surging Greens (63) and Lib Dems (192). The leadership’s claims of a “turning point” ring hollow.

In so-called ‘Red Wall’ seats, gains in places such as Cumberland were offset by backward steps in the likes of Amber Valley and Hyndburn. As many out there on the doorstep will attest, Tory defeats were more down to the apathy of their base than mass switching to Labour. (Results for Scottish Labour and especially Welsh Labour were more positive, and deserve their own story.)

Yet actual proper analysis by people actually aren’t biased and know what they are talking about below:

https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/05/l ... -red-wall/

I see they didn’t mention Barnet can’t think why momentum activists wouldn’t be popular there and isn’t Croydon run by Momentum lot, that’s part of its issue. As for Amber Valley I assume this lot couldn’t tell you were it was previous to the election on Thursday.

If you are progressive you’ve got three parties to choose from and even more if you live in Wales or Scotland which had a chance of winning. You don’t at election time and the informal pact will play that out. As I said a strong third party helps Labour but a recovery in Scotland does too. It’s not a surprise that in recent weeks yes to independence has been falling.

Amber Valley is extremely rich peak district territory, Tory since forever. They probably think it's that woman who's in court against Johnny Depp.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:35 am Amber Valley is extremely rich peak district territory, Tory since forever. They probably think it's that woman who's in court against Johnny Depp.

We'll finally find out whether Littlejohn reads this forum if that gag appears in Friday's column.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:35 am Amber Valley is extremely rich peak district territory, Tory since forever. They probably think it's that woman who's in court against Johnny Depp.

It was Labour 1997-2010, and only narrowly retaken by the Tories in 2010, Don't know how wealthy it is, but the East Midlands generally are much better for the Tories than they were.

By-election coming in Harlow. Tory councillor, who won by 4 votes over Labour, has retweeted a ton of Tommy Robinson shit.

Would hope the Greens and Lib Dems sit out the by election.