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Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:41 pm
by Andy McDandy
It's not a popularity contest. It's about who has had the biggest impact on World events. Unsurprisingly, controversial national leaders tend to score quite highly.

This really is common knowledge.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:56 pm
by Boiler
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c ... e-60545338

I was surprised to see our local astronomer (AIUI he has a number of comets named after him) is recognised in the cathedral.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:40 pm
by Boiler
satnav wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:22 pm Darren Grimes is in the picture along with Calvin Robinson but not sure about the fourth person but I think GB News has been using some piss poor comedians to do their paper reviews so the fourth person may well be a mediocre comedian.
From L-R: Andy Ngo, Darren Grimes, Calvin Robinson, Laurence Fox.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:57 pm
by davidjay
Boiler wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:40 pm
satnav wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:22 pm Darren Grimes is in the picture along with Calvin Robinson but not sure about the fourth person but I think GB News has been using some piss poor comedians to do their paper reviews so the fourth person may well be a mediocre comedian.
From L-R: Andy Ngo, Darren Grimes, Calvin Robinson, Laurence Fox.
Just a mediocre excuse for humanity then.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:17 pm
by Youngian
Fun fact: President Zelensky is the Ukrainian Paddington

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:54 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
The usual suspects have now focussed on the real enemy- David Lammy.

I'm trying to follow the logic- if you say that Stop The War are helping Putin, that's "incitement". But if you say Lammy and Starmer are imperialist warmongers for supporting Ukraine v Putin, that's not incitement.


Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:45 pm
by Youngian
Putin will be bricking it

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:47 am
by Bones McCoy
Meanwhile one of the Conservative Home Regulars
The next stage is that Mr Putin is going to bring up the heavy artillery and pound the city of Kiev to pulp. Will Boris and Joe stand by and pray for these people who are going to be slaughtered?
We need to send in the SAS and Marines into Russia and find and Kill this man now. No ifs or buts. He must be executed immediately, and be re0laced by a democratically elected person.

The Russian people cannot change him. If they protest, they will be killed. They are afraid of him. The only persons who can do something are countries outside of Russia and Ukraine. If Boris Johnson does not have the stomach for the fight, then he must resign.
Same guy
Are we going to stand by and watch Russia kill Ukranians' and do nothing to help them?
This is moral cowardice. Mr Johnson must intervene now. We have to destroy the Kremlin's ability to wage war on people who cannot defend themselves. If that means putting British soldiers into Ukraine, then we must do so.

Maybe it is time to start making Putin feel the heat of war, by bombing Moscow. Take it or leave it. This is a world war. We must stop Putin now. The only thing that he understands is power. We should destroy all the bridges in Moscow and blow up Putin's palace.

USA must bomb all Russian military bases now. Blow them to rubble now. I can hear many British people saying that we will place London and the UK at risk. The truth is that London and the UK are already at risk. We need a Hiroshima moment now, to keep Putin and Xi in check. If we do not have the stomach to do this, then we will face a long war, with much suffering.
Moving on, there's a general consensus that Biden has caused this by (somethign somethign someting).

We brought it on ourselves by net zero, lockdown, furlough and wokery.

Everything will be OK if we keep the "Trannies" (Their words) out of the toilets and start fracking.

One poster summarises far better than I ever could:
Con home can be a window in to another world sometimes. The articles are sound but there are some absolute mentalists in the comments.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:30 am
by The All New KevS
The headlines in the papers are as apocalyptic as I thought they would be. Remember these are the same publications that were screaming at the scientific community for being scaremongers over Covid.

Whilst the announcement yesterday is a trifle unsettling, we need to look at it rationally. Firstly, Putin is egocentric, and is obsessed with his place in history. He won't want to go down in history as the man who destroyed Russia, and who brought about global armageddon. He knows the consequences if he were to attack NATO.

Secondly, he wants the Ukrainian land. That land is no good to him if it's riddled with radiation.

Thirdly, I get the impression China would like to be the strongest world economy. It's a bit difficult to conduct international trade if a lot of overseas is a radioactive wasteland. That's why I think it won't be long until they demand cooler heads.

Finally, even if he did order a launch, I think the generals would step in at that point. I suspect it's sabre rattling and nothing more, designed to spook us.

I hope.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:37 am
by Youngian
A sophisticated take well worth reading. Galeev points out that Putin has never waged a war of this magnitude before but lightening strike special operations

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:58 am
by Boiler
The All New KevS wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:30 am The headlines in the papers are as apocalyptic as I thought they would be. Remember these are the same publications that were screaming at the scientific community for being scaremongers over Covid.

Whilst the announcement yesterday is a trifle unsettling, we need to look at it rationally. Firstly, Putin is egocentric, and is obsessed with his place in history. He won't want to go down in history as the man who destroyed Russia, and who brought about global armageddon. He knows the consequences if he were to attack NATO.
A piece on the BBC website suggests were he to "press the button", it'd be a detonation over the North Sea somewhere between Britain and Denmark.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60551140

As the piece says: don't say "he'd never do that".

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:04 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Another statement from Chelsea. "You should have seen me in there", says Roman "David Brent" Abramovich.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:57 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Market reaction doesn't seem to be bearing this analysis out so far.


Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:58 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Remember, Stop the War aren't taking Putin's side, and it's a smear to say they are.


Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:07 pm
by Youngian
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:58 am Remember, Stop the War aren't taking Putin's side, and it's a smear to say they are.

You're Joe McCarthy

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:20 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I saw that. They're being magnified because the more we hear from them now, the less likely anybody will want to hear from them again about anything.

"US-backed coup" is a bit wishy washy, isn't it? I thought Obama "ordered it".

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:24 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
"Bellicose rhetoric" v actual war.


Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:31 pm
by Boiler
I think I'd rather stick a soldering iron in my eye, ta.

Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Foreign affairs heavyweight sees route to peace. It's, er, give the invader everything it wants.


Re: Ukraine crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:11 pm
by Cyclist
What did I predict last week?

Fuel prices have hit record highs in the UK as Russia's invasion of Ukraine continues to affect global oil prices.

The RAC said the average price of petrol jumped to £1.51 a litre on Sunday, while diesel increased to £1.55.

The price of both fuels has jumped since Thursday, when Russia began its assault on Ukraine.

RAC fuel spokesman Simon Williams said despite oil prices calming, prices at the pump will continue to rise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60554128