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Who's saying you can't criticize Sunak or Braverman, I don't understand?

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:48 pm Tanita Tikaram has Tweeted the same.

No-one has called her racist (you see why) - but if we can't criticise people of colour when they do shitty things we are fucked.

Jings Crivens, I remember her.
Interesting singer songwriter.
What's she been up to for 30 years?

Her brother, who attended the University of Kent was arguably a more talented musician.
But musical family argy-bargy goes back at least as far as the Kinks.

Didn’t see Ramon Tikaram do much for about a decade after This Life but now he pops up all over the place on TV.

I used to follow Tanita on Twitter. She's still kicking about, touring, producing, collaborating with other 80s/90s names. Last saw Ramon crop up in Game of Thrones as a mercenary.

Poorly cast as a pious Muslim dad in Eastenders, just kept seeing Ferdie taking it in the shower.

Apparently Starmer is now a transphobe

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:57 am Apparently Starmer is now a transphobe

I know it’s not good of me, but whenever the trans debate comes up my eyes just glaze over & I move on to the next topic. I just find the rhetoric surrounding the issue to be completely toxic, to the extent that I’m put off from learning more.

As Jo Maugham points out in this thread, the case that Starmer brings up doesn't only cover trans people:

I get that, but age of consent* is the legally recognised baseline. And on one hand you have religious parents blocking access to birth control, and on the other you have under-16s getting fucked by older people.

Sure, there are cases where people are either side of the 16 point, but are mature enough (or not) to make decisions, or need to have them made for them. Just as the police will turn a blind eye to two 15 year olds canoodling.

"If you are under 16 you do not generally legally have the right to make decisions on these matters, but obviously exceptions will happen". That might have been a better line.

*And I recognise that AoC is different to age of legal responsibiity, and age of majority.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:58 am

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:57 am Apparently Starmer is now a transphobe

I know it’s not good of me, but whenever the trans debate comes up my eyes just glaze over & I move on to the next topic. I just find the rhetoric surrounding the issue to be completely toxic, to the extent that I’m put off from learning more.

It reminds me of Extinction Rebellion and its offshoots - I should sympathize but it's hard when they try so hard to be offensive.

I suspect Starmer’s performance at PMQs today, where he politely handed Sunak his arse, will significantly reduce the number of sycophantic ‘why Labour shouldn’t underestimate Rishi’ style articles. Because yet again, it turns out that if anything it has been vast overestimates all round.

If Sunak's going to fall back on "Yebbut Corbyn", as he indicated, I'm not sure what his plan is. Entire thing reeks of Gove (who has apparently been prepping the PM, and who was seen in the Commons screaming "Communist!" at Corbyn and McDonnell back in the day, as if the word were kryptonite) high on his own supply.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:21 amSure, there are cases where people are either side of the 16 point, but are mature enough (or not) to make decisions, or need to have them made for them. Just as the police will turn a blind eye to two 15 year olds canoodling.

"If you are under 16 you do not generally legally have the right to make decisions on these matters, but obviously exceptions will happen". That might have been a better line.

Agreed. I was mostly throwing that link in there because the first thread quoted didn't suggest that there was any wider context.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:48 pm If Sunak's going to fall back on "Yebbut Corbyn", as he indicated, I'm not sure what his plan is. Entire thing reeks of Gove (who has apparently been prepping the PM, and who was seen in the Commons screaming "Communist!" at Corbyn and McDonnell back in the day, as if the word were kryptonite) high on his own supply.

They’ve gone and released a campaign video, they actually think this is good.

With the transphobia thing it’s like this, I probably don’t really agree with his stance in that interview but he is being interviewed by someone from mumsnet sadly if her position is transphobic it’s how it is same with the papers. I personally wouldn’t do it but I’m not Labour leader trying to make a case to govern the whole country.

Labour have made several really positive pledges announced around pride week, people like Duffield will ethier defect or lose, the choice is a Labour government broadly agreeing with you and you being part of that to change or the Conservatives who have sidelined anyone supportive for trans people and a Home Sec and Equalities minister who seems very much for eradication of not just trans people but the whole LGBTQ spectrum, judging by their comments on conversion therapy and the Equality act.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:58 am

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:57 am Apparently Starmer is now a transphobe

I know it’s not good of me, but whenever the trans debate comes up my eyes just glaze over & I move on to the next topic. I just find the rhetoric surrounding the issue to be completely toxic, to the extent that I’m put off from learning more.

I recall havign debates with the likes of Lord Kobel and when I tried to point out how people like Karen White had sexually assaulted her fellow inmates and he would just dismiss it with dangerous lesbians and refused to consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe indivduals like White shouldn't have been put in a woman's prison.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... der-prison

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:43 pm I recall havign debates with the likes of Lord Kobel and when I tried to point out how people like Karen White had sexually assaulted her fellow inmates and he would just dismiss it with dangerous lesbians and refused to consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe indivduals like White shouldn't have been put in a woman's prison.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... der-prison

Was that the reason why Lord Kobel had a hissy fit & left the forum? I was never quite sure why that happened. I remember him having some pretty outspoken beliefs about Biden, I always thought it was something to do with that.

He became relentlessly aggressive, bullying, and generally unpleasant. The broad consensus was that he had to be despatched.

That was not an unpleasant experience.

Starmer's a racist apparently.

I don't think he's racist but I do think it's a stupid, unhelpful thing to say. Disappointing.

Ah god, not this again. Had a run in with a Corbynite on facebook about "points based immigration system" a while back. I asked him what sort of system he wanted instead, a lottery? Abolition of visa requirements? I got no reply.