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Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:43 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
I don't believe in evil, but I do think she has a psychotic streak and gets pleasure from acting with cruelty, sadism even, to people she sees as vulnerable. Not exactly positive character traits.

She is also a narcissist - there are large numbers of them in the current Tory party, it seems, not just Johnson.

And the press - the Mail, Express and Telegraph, play down these disastrous traits and tell the people that all is normal...

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:26 pm
by satnav
Whilst I understand why Sunak wanted to bring her back to appease the ERG I don't understand why he put her back in the Home Office. If he had her Environment Secretary or Business Secretary there probably would not have been such a backlash.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:34 pm
by Andy McDandy
My guess is that she was told from an early age that she was brilliant and destined for great things. While by no means thick, this gave her an arrogance that led to a harsh dose of reality when she was passed by people who put in the hard hours. Rather than doubling her efforts, she saw it as everyone else not recognising her genius, and developed a very bitter streak and nasty attitude towards anyone she thought was getting for free what she was entitled to.

She also understood that as a woman of colour in the Tory party, she has to be perceived as "tough" if she wants to be taken seriously.

Basically, she's Arnold Rimmer.

PS I guess the ERG demanded one of the great offices. Although the thought of Leaky Sue spending the next 2 years in wellies doing photo ops in the rain and mud at nature reserves may have crossed Sunak's mind and prompted an emperor-style chuckle.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:45 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
satnav wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:26 pm Whilst I understand why Sunak wanted to bring her back to appease the ERG I don't understand why he put her back in the Home Office. If he had her Environment Secretary or Business Secretary there probably would not have been such a backlash.
Immigration control.
Immigrant hate.
Sadistic anti-immigrant policies and actions.

>later<
Bringing back hanging.


"She ain't no Buddhist, Bruv..."

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:46 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Andy McDandy wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:34 pm My guess is that she was told from an early age that she was brilliant and destined for great things. While by no means thick, this gave her an arrogance that led to a harsh dose of reality when she was passed by people who put in the hard hours. Rather than doubling her efforts, she saw it as everyone else not recognising her genius, and developed a very bitter streak and nasty attitude towards anyone she thought was getting for free what she was entitled to.

She also understood that as a woman of colour in the Tory party, she has to be perceived as "tough" if she wants to be taken seriously.

Basically, she's Arnold Rimmer.

PS I guess the ERG demanded one of the great offices. Although the thought of Leaky Sue spending the next 2 years in wellies doing photo ops in the rain and mud at nature reserves may have crossed Sunak's mind and prompted an emperor-style chuckle.
I think she is mentally unwell.

Go a level lower; what personal characteristics lead her to act as she does and believe what she does? After all, she could achieve all those things in a much more humane manner.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:44 pm
by davidjay
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:45 pm
satnav wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:26 pm Whilst I understand why Sunak wanted to bring her back to appease the ERG I don't understand why he put her back in the Home Office. If he had her Environment Secretary or Business Secretary there probably would not have been such a backlash.
Immigration control.
Immigrant hate.
Sadistic anti-immigrant policies and actions.

>later<
Bringing back hanging.


"She ain't no Buddhist, Bruv..."
You're never going to lose the Tories by having a Home Secretary that's too right-wing.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:28 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
The membership, no. But until recently the parliamentary party not so much.

Johnson's purge has meant that the Taliban have a much greater influence at Westminster.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:37 pm
by Samanfur
I wonder if the government will even acknowledge this:

Firebombing targets migrants at processing centre in Dover

A man has firebombed a reception centre for small boat migrants in Kent.

Police said up to three incendiary devices were thrown at the Western Jet Foil facility in Dover, where asylum seekers are processed after being rescued in the English Channel.

A witness from the Reuters news agency said the perpetrator drove to a nearby petrol station and killed himself but police have not confirmed the suspect’s death.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:53 pm
by Bones McCoy
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:45 pm
satnav wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:26 pm Whilst I understand why Sunak wanted to bring her back to appease the ERG I don't understand why he put her back in the Home Office. If he had her Environment Secretary or Business Secretary there probably would not have been such a backlash.
Immigration control.
Immigrant hate.
Sadistic anti-immigrant policies and actions.

>later<
Bringing back hanging.


"She ain't no Buddhist, Bruv..."
Buddhists aren't all chuckling fat monks.

https://www.thoughtco.com/short-history ... ism-195794

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Nice hatchet job on a largely pacifist, mindful philosophy.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:52 pm
by davidjay
Samanfur wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:37 pm I wonder if the government will even acknowledge this:

Firebombing targets migrants at processing centre in Dover

A man has firebombed a reception centre for small boat migrants in Kent.

Police said up to three incendiary devices were thrown at the Western Jet Foil facility in Dover, where asylum seekers are processed after being rescued in the English Channel.

A witness from the Reuters news agency said the perpetrator drove to a nearby petrol station and killed himself but police have not confirmed the suspect’s death.
"We're a tolerant nation but you can understand it. Push people too far and they're bound to react..."

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:29 pm
by mattomac
Maybe Sunak aligns with Braverman, this moderate Sunak character seems to have a fair few fooled.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:25 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
He owes a great deal to Tufton Street.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:46 pm
by Watchman
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"We're a tolerant nation but you can understand it. Push people too far and they're bound to react..."
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That seems to be the BTL drift in the Mail, but not too heavy on the tolerance

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:37 pm
by davidjay
I must be psychic:


Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:17 pm
by Crabcakes
With this, I suspect Braverman’s bile-filled, bitter, rotten goose is cooked. And the sooner she’s gone again, for good this time, the better.


Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:31 pm
by Andy McDandy
I fear she'll try to brazen it out and double down on "In the real world people do short cuts and don't always follow rules to the letter, because my priority is delivering for the people and blah".

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:07 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
It's not too big a reach to suspect she does these things to cause pain and distress, is it?

Because she can.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:37 pm
by davidjay
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:07 pm It's not too big a reach to suspect she does these things to cause pain and distress, is it?

Because she can.

That's just it. We can talk about psychology and upbringing but some people are just plain nasty and enjoy causing suffering to others. Luckily most of them never get beyond bullying in the playground or shouting at shop staff. Unluckily one of them is now in charge of national security.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:39 pm
by Andy McDandy
And guess what? She doubled down. Fucking cunt.