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Fuck 'im.

Is Jez going to run his Ukraine policy past Labour members or voters at any point?

Like I said.

Why isn’t he fighting the Tories? Because that comes later. And when it does, you don’t want to be wasting time on Jez’s anti-Western drivel.

It’s noteworthy that Corbyn has of course been very careful not to confirm explicitly his intention to stand as an independent (“we’re not going anywhere”). This is because he knows that under the party’s rules, as soon as he does so he automatically expels himself from the Labour Party (as do any Labour members who support his candidacy or work in his campaign). He clearly wants to remain a member for as long as he possibly can and kick up as much shite as he can. If he had the slightest shred of decency, honesty, or principle, he’d confirm his independent candidacy tomorrow and get the fuck away from the party.

At least Ken Livingstone had the principles to do so right away when he failed to secure the Labour candidacy for London Mayor.

Corbyn is an irredeemable, vain, self-important cunt, who’d stop a Labour government getting elected just to massage his own over-inflated ego.

When he refused to resign, Corbyn was running a parliamentary party without the support of his MPs and launched the countdown to the destruction of the party. So yeh fuck ‘im.

Trotmentum furious. Who’d a thunk it? Time to proscribe this parasitic organisation.

They aren’t worth proscribing. Let those who want to support a Jez candidacy, if that even happens, exclude themselves.

Political opportunism? What does that mean? He told Jez to fuck off and led the polls by 20%.

Prexactly. If “political opportunism” is anything, it’s a bloody good thing. Seizing opportunities to maximize your chances of achieving the primary aims of your political objectives. Starmer has realised that Jeremy Corbyn standing at the election as an official Labour candidate is identifiably a material risk to the party’s prospects of winning the election, and is taking steps to exclude that risk. It’s what decent leaders do. Why Keir Starmer is succeeding, and why Jeremy Corbyn failed miserably.

Jez was pretty politically opportunistic when he ran for election as a Remainer supporter of NATO and the monarchy who wanted more cops as a priority.

Quite right that he did too. He’d have got about 25% on the back of his usual stuff.

Today has been a perfect example of Corbyn's political incompetence. Starmer clearly wanted rid of him; one apology, one statement of regret and it would have been much harder. Either he wasn't even astute enough to see it or he thought it beneath him.

davidjay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:55 pm Today has been a perfect example of Corbyn's political incompetence. Starmer clearly wanted rid of him; one apology, one statement of regret and it would have been much harder. Either he wasn't even astute enough to see it or he thought it beneath him.

Also the perfect illustration of his stubbornness and vanity.

The other ex-leaders haven't been very publicly disgracing themselves by telling Ukrainians to shut up and take one for the cause of anti-Westernism, John.

One of the many things that irritate me about the Trots is this fucking absolutely fanatical obsession they have with “democracy”. I’ve long thought that they’d have a vote to decide on the colour of shite.

No appreciation of nuance, no understanding that “democracy” may not always be the best way forward. If something is ostensibly “undemocratic” this does not necessarily mean that it is automatically the work of Satan.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8426 ... 91eb633f1c

Jeremy Corbyn to run against Labour as an independent, say allies

Jeremy Corbyn has resolved to run against Labour as an independent candidate at the next general election, The Times has learnt, as the former leader warns that he is “not going anywhere”.

Friends of the MP for Islington North said that he will confirm his intention to run as an independent as early as this week if Labour’s ruling national executive committee approves his successor’s plan to bar him from standing for election under the party’s banner.

Corbyn’s decision follows months of speculation over his intentions in the event that Sir Keir Starmer moved to formally block him from standing as a Labour candidate. It sets up an ugly electoral battle that some shadow cabinet ministers fear Corbyn win, four decades after he first took the seat.

Sources said he was determined not to be seen to capitulate to Starmer, who will ask Labour’s ruling body to bar Corbyn’s candidacy on the grounds that it will “significantly diminish” the party’s chances of winning the next election.

“It’s become personal. There will be an announcement by the end of the week,” said one source, while another Corbyn ally said: “The debate is over. He will stand.”

In a statement Corbyn did not address his future but nonetheless struck a defiant note. Corbyn’s office declined to comment on the prospect of an independent run but sources familiar with his thinking did not deny that an announcement of an independent candidacy would come this week.

Corbyn said: “I joined the Labour Party when I was 16 years old because, like millions of others, I believed in a redistribution of wealth and power. Our message is clear: we are not going anywhere. Neither is our determination to stand up for a better world.

“Today, Keir Starmer has broken his commitment to respect the rights of Labour members and denigrated the democratic foundations of our party,” the statement added.

“I have been elected as the Labour MP for Islington North on ten consecutive occasions since 1983. I am proud to represent a community that supports vulnerable people, joins workers on the picket line and fights for transformative change.

“This latest move represents a leadership increasingly unwilling to offer solutions that meet the scale of the crises facing us all. As the government plunges millions into poverty and demonises refugees, Keir Starmer has focused his opposition on those demanding a more progressive and humane alternative.”

Starmer’s team will relish the prospect of an election battle with Corbyn but must now find a candidate to run against him in a constituency where he has a loyal following. Several Islington councillors whose wards are in Corbyn’s constituency are understood to have rebuffed invitations to stand against him.

“He could win,” a senior party source said. “It depends on what his local party and councillors do. None of them will want to be the candidate.”

If Corbyn stands as an independent in Islington North, he is out of the party, and may take many of his crazed supporters with him. The party benefits considerably.

If he stands and wins, it’s no big deal. He has never been part of the real Labour Party, and has in fact spent most of his life opposing it. So there’ll be no real change.

So Starmer knows he is facing a win/win situation. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Things Corbyn won’t stand up for:
People dying if the person doing the killing is ‘the right sort’
People’s rights to live and work across the continent without barriers
The biggest cooperative peacetime project ever conceived

Things Corbyn will stand up for:
Not taking responsibility for slackness on bigotry on his watch because it was ‘the right sort’
His own personal right to remain in the limelight and enjoy being a backbench MP in a very safe seat* while slagging off everything his (former) party does

But yes. It’s definitely people like Jess Philips who are only in it for the attention.

*for Labour. For him? We may see.

You know that if he loses, he'll proclaim himself the "people's MP" or some bollocks and his fan club will just lap it up?