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Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:12 pm
by Bones McCoy
satnav wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:30 pm The Mail's Andrew Pierce is now touting Ben Wallace as a replacement for Truss because Pierce believes that what the Tory party is lacking at the moment is discipline! Given that Wallace refused to throw his hat in the ring when Johnson was ousted I can't see him changing his mind if Truss was to fall under a bus.
Wallace is more closely aligned with Johnsons expelled than any of the recent leadership candidates.
ie relatively sane.

Were I in his shoes, I'd head down the HoC bar, nice cold pint and wait til it all blows over.
Maybe run for leader after a couple of runs in opposition.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:39 pm
by Youngian
There was a leadership candidate who allegedly withdrew because of colourful kompromat. Assumed that was Wallace. He threatening to resign if Hunt cuts the promised defence budget increases.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:36 am
by Youngian
Sinking ship rat update


What ideology did Harlow Rob think he was campaigning for in 2016?

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:48 pm
by Crabcakes
They’ve lost the Murdoch press. That’s 100% game over

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1b0 ... f167fe6682

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:53 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Can't read due to paywall.

Give us a hint.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:07 pm
by Arrowhead
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:53 pm Can't read due to paywall.

Give us a hint.
I can't see it either, but the blurb at the top says "The PM has to go...........time for Sunak to step up, then call an election".

Seeing as a significant section of the Tory parliamentary party seemingly cannot stand Sunak ("He stabbed Big Dog in the back!"), I can't see that going down too well.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:07 pm
by Oboogie
Interesting that The Telegraph has now joined The Mail and Express in acknowledging some of the damage Brexit is doing.
I wonder how the Tories will react, presumably they'll be dismissed as part of the Anti-Growth Coalition.


Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:41 pm
by satnav
Or is the Telegraph now considered to be part of the #scummedia which is desperate to bring down the Tories?

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:23 am
by mattomac
Wasn’t Sunak polling worse compared to Truss?

There seems to be this odd alternative universe in which Sunak is anyway credible, it’s the same one that pushes Badenoch and Wallace to the front, people who you could walk past the street.

One paper even put Andrew Griffith on the front page on a story about Wallace (Wallace is also apparently very in favour of the lunacy of Truss economics). Anyone who takes it now has to realise they may end up being in the history books alongside Home but even then I feel his situation was better and it didn’t end out too bad, economically speaking you need to go soon

I suppose it’s all down to whether you feel you will have a seat post election or not, ironically I think the boundary changes take away Wallace’s seat.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:48 am
by kreuzberger
There is something about Jeremy Hunt that is quite likeable to anyone who choses not to scratch the surface. He speaks too in calming tones which are 180° opposed to the classic tory bombast. He is also not brown.

I doubt that it is anything but too late for these soft attributes to haul this criminal enterprise out of the electoral mire, but I thought that I would mention it anyway.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:55 am
by Watchman
I think that view is what the Party hope will appeal to the non/thinkers*

* To avoid any confusion, Mr K is not a non-thinker

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:05 pm
by Crabcakes
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:53 pm Can't read due to paywall.

Give us a hint.
Oh, sorry - I got the article for free for some reason, so assumed it would be the same for all!

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:21 pm
by davidjay
kreuzberger wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:48 am There is something about Jeremy Hunt that is quite likeable to anyone who choses not to scratch the surface. He speaks too in calming tones which are 180° opposed to the classic tory bombast. He is also not brown.

I doubt that it is anything but too late for these soft attributes to haul this criminal enterprise out of the electoral mire, but I thought that I would mention it anyway.
They're invariably like that. Well-spoken, polite, seemingly down to earth and friendly. Not like the scruffy, unwashed, permanently angry lefties. Because they know the deferential nature of the British people means that many of them will believe anything said by a well-dressed, well-spoken white man.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:35 pm
by Youngian
After Lamont’s resignation, John Major bought in heavyweight Ken Clarke to stabilise the economy and he did. But it just focused the spot light on how rotten the government was in other areas. Major never recovered.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:10 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm
by Youngian
Timothy is reassuring us again he was nowhere near the Russian front. And Johnson and Gove aren’t free market ideologues, oh no

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:37 pm
by Arrowhead
Youngian wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:30 pm Timothy is reassuring us again he was nowhere near the Russian front. And Johnson and Gove aren’t free market ideologues, oh no
Angling for a job in the upcoming, post-Truss government? Easy to see where the "shit Rasputin" nickname came from......

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:01 am
by mattomac
A strong economy doesn’t fall over when someone blows gently at it.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:41 pm
by Bones McCoy
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:10 pm
Two out of three ain't bad.

Re: Conservatives Generally

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:48 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
That's Andrew Griffith, not Ben Wallace.