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The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:30 pm
This is really just another form of racism portraying...

Respectfully, and with Thérèse Côfféé et al laying spread-eagled across the news agenda, I think you are getting angry about the wrong thing.

Having worked with some Arapaho lads on how to digitise restorative justice in drug and alc ravaged communities, I can assure you that being in the presence of nobility (savage or otherwise) is quite the thing. It brought me down a peg or six.

Cyclist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:47 pm Where's the context? Or did Trickett just tweet that for no special reason?

Without context you can't accuse Trickett of racism.


The original quote is much longer, and dripping with sarcasm.

Quote by John (Fire) Lame Deer: “Before our white brothers arrived to make us ci...”" https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/800135 ... ilized-men


The author of that quote might just have known what he was talking about

"John Fire Lame Deer - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fire_Lame_Deer

Jon Trickett tweeted that for no reason. As for John Fire Lame Deer he did say it but I believe it was intended to be sarcastic. Trickett is taking his point literally. As for their were no criminals, any human society will have criminals within them and the Lakota were I believe nomadic hence the lack of jails.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:21 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:30 pm
This is really just another form of racism portraying...

Respectfully, and with Thérèse Côfféé et al laying spread-eagled across the news agenda, I think you are getting angry about the wrong thing.

Having worked with some Arapaho lads on how to digitise restorative justice in drug and alc ravaged communities, I can assure you that being in the presence of nobility (savage or otherwise) is quite the thing. It brought me down a peg or six.

The noble savage sterotype is in my view just as damaging and offensive as the mindless savage sterotype. One of the most persistent forms of racism on the left is to idealise and infantilise non white people and Native Americans have been one of the most prominent examples of this.

I really don’t think that Kreuzberger was attempting to idealise or infantilise the Arapahoes that he worked with. If you were suggesting that, then I think you owe him an apology.

I feel I know Kreuzberger well enough to be sure that Jean Jacques Rousseau he ain't.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:26 am I really don’t think that Kreuzberger was attempting to idealise or infantilise the Arapahoes that he worked with. If you were suggesting that, then I think you owe him an apology.

I never said he was.

One of the most persistent forms of racism on the left is to idealise and infantilise non white people and Native Americans have been one of the most prominent examples of this.

Having wind chimes and using homeopathic medicine doesn’t make you left wing. The noble savage is a nostalgic reactionary idea, you can even find it among militia men who like Ted Nugent.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:14 am

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:26 am I really don’t think that Kreuzberger was attempting to idealise or infantilise the Arapahoes that he worked with. If you were suggesting that, then I think you owe him an apology.

I never said he was.

Kreuzberger talked about some native American people with whom he had worked, and spoke very specifically about the experience engendered by this of having been in the presence of a certain nobility.

In response, you said :

The noble savage sterotype is in my view just as damaging and offensive as the mindless savage sterotype. One of the most persistent forms of racism on the left is to idealise and infantilise non white people and Native Americans have been one of the most prominent examples of this.

So why, then, did you say that?

So why, then, did you say that?

Because I happen to think it's true.

So you’re asking us to believe that what you said was in no way prompted by Kreuzberger’s remarks about his time spent working with native Americans, but was an entirely spontaneous and unrelated exposition of what you “happen to think is true” about native American people.

Aye, right. I’m thinking now you definitely owe Kreuzy an apology.

I'll be fine, really. Those lads in Colo Springs are the real deal and they shaped the person I ultimately would so like to finally become.

Seriously, I would recommend pro bono or voluntary work to anyone and everyone who can possibly spare a moment to get involved. It's a damned sight more rewarding and character building than sitting, sniping on internet fora.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:51 pm So you’re asking us to believe that what you said was in no way prompted by Kreuzberger’s remarks about his time spent working with native Americans, but was an entirely spontaneous and unrelated exposition of what you “happen to think is true” about native American people.

Aye, right. I’m thinking now you definitely owe Kreuzy an apology.

Christ having knee surgery was easier than dealing with some of you lot.

Former MP and Corbyn aide, Katy Clark with the best idea since Richard Burgon supported Labour members having a veto on military action.

If this were implemented it would be no scottish boys sent to foreign wars and no trident in Scotland.

Angela Rayner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58708009

Conservative Party co-chair Oliver Dowden said: "Voters have heard the message loud and clear from Labour conference: if they support Conservative values or this government they are 'scum'.

"Instead of looking down our noses at voters and throwing around playground insults, we are focused on bringing people together and delivering for them."

Andy McDonald has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet.

Echo chamber my Twitter feed may be, but the reaction I'm getting is broadly backing her and pointing out plenty of stuff the Tories have said recently. And interesting they didn't pick up her use of homophobic, racist, or any of the other words she used.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:30 pm Andy McDonald has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet.

I had a great time but I'm ready to move on.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:30 pm Andy McDonald has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet.

https://news.sky.com/story/andy-mcdonal ... p-12419918

Apparently because KS wouldn't commit to raising the minimum wage to £15 ph.

Strange use of words by Cowdung there. "Bringing people together", as in mile-long queues for petrol? Or getting large numbers of people agreeing that this government is shit?

As for claiming to be "delivering for them". He actually said that. At this time, with the shortage of drivers all over the news and reports published saying most people blame the government/Brexit for it?

I'm with Rayner on this. She's said she'll retract the statement and apologise when Johnson retracts and apologises for all of the racist and sexist things he's said over the past few years.