Mailwatch(ed) Forum

Amid all the noise about Truss, I'm concerned that the promotion of Chris Heaton-Harris to Minister of State for Brexit is getting missed.

That's the bloke who was writing to universities not so long ago, demanding to know what they were saying about Brexit, in case it was off-message.

Arrowhead wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:30 pm Interestingly, I've seen three different people each make broadly similar predictions today re Truss and her new role, namely:

1) Truss will spend the next 12-18 months huffing & puffing and picking carefully choreographed spats with the EU,
2) Having achieved little with this approach bar favourable coverage in the Tory press, she will resign as FS whilst heaping the blame on Johnson
3) Having burnished her credentials with the Tory grassroots & the "Spartans", she will then launch a leadership challenge to Johnson (if he hasn't already departed) in pole position

.............or to put it another way, she will repeat exactly what Johnson did to Theresa May a couple of years ago

I’m interested in how she manages 2 hats, it will appeal to the nutters having fights with the EU, but on the other hand she is the FS and as such has to maintain diplomatic relations with a number of “difficult” countries, not least Young Vlad

Overestimated Liz Truss’s abilities to see a bigger picture (concede on the NIP in order to woo Washington) as she’s an idiot with no hinterlands beyond her leadership election campaign.

So we “need goods to flow freely between Great Britain and Northen Ireland, eh? “

I don’t remember there being a problem with that until Johnson came along and fucked everything up with his Brexit shit.

Good Lord, you just know she's going to be our next Prime Minister, just know it

Youngian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:02 pm Overestimated Liz Truss’s abilities to see a bigger picture (concede on the NIP in order to woo Washington) as she’s an idiot with no hinterlands beyond her leadership election campaign.

Did you see George Peretz? He noted Truss talks about "the ECJ as final arbiter" which allows space for a climbdown.

Then again, maybe the backroom boys blindsided her?

Sorry, double post.

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:13 am Beware: May induce vomiting.

Liz Truss: the new Iron Lady?

If there’s a leadership race any time soon, there is one candidate the Tory faithful keep talking about. Charlotte Edwardes speaks to Westminster insiders about the most powerful woman in politics

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz- ... -7l5m3nflm

There's no need to go any further; you get the gist of it.

Liz Truss: the new Iron Lady?

Questions to which the answer is no.


Plastic dummy, more like.

If Liz Truss is the answer, it was a fucking stupid question.

The Mail was quick to spin Mayday as Maggie 2.0 only to quietly drop it when it emerged that posturing tough against disadvantaged immigrants as Home Secretary doesn’t butter any parsnips when trying to negotiate the most complicated trade deal of this country’s history.

PM Truss will face civil war with Baker’s nutters that put her in No 10 when she folds on ECJ jurisdiction in NI. Or face simultaneous US and EU sanctions. She may choose the latter. No joy for the nation either way.

Bearing in mind that, as we've said before, Thatcher wouldn't have supported Brexit, or at the very least ensured we were still in the EEA, and would have been far more science led over Covid, if this was 1985 rather than 2021, I suspect the Mail would have been screaming for Tebbit to take over.

The All New KevS wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:46 am Bearing in mind that, as we've said before, Thatcher wouldn't have supported Brexit, or at the very least ensured we were still in the EEA, and would have been far more science led over Covid, if this was 1985 rather than 2021, I suspect the Mail would have been screaming for Tebbit to take over.

Although that would have been the Mail under English who wasn’t quite as deranged as Dacre.

The All New KevS wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:46 am I suspect the Mail would have been screaming for Tebbit to take over.

Except Tebbit was a big supporter of the NHS.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:43 pm

The All New KevS wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:46 am I suspect the Mail would have been screaming for Tebbit to take over.

Except Tebbit was a big supporter of the NHS.

I would hazard a guess that Tebbit was, and remains, a supporter of the Bring Back Matron version of the NHS, where nurses were drilled in much the same way as squaddies and patients kept quiet.

More to do with the treatment of his wife, perhaps.

The treatment of his wife and himself. I've never heard a Tory praise the NHS more highly than Norman Tebbit in a documentary about the Brighton bomb.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:09 pm More to do with the treatment of his wife, perhaps.

I believe he was a supporter even before then. He once said that the only member of his family who had received private medical care was his dog.