[Tubby Isaacs]

I agree. I think the sort of stuff we're hearing about from David Henig is going to stick- does Kemi really want to run on making farm exports harder?- but I don't think Single Market membership would.

[NevTheSweeper]

Well, thanks for responding. So, you hate Labour because you think they don’t run your local council so well, and you’re not happy with David Lammy as your MP. Seems a little extreme to hate an entire party for such, well, mundane reasons. Did you hate the Tories for spending 14 years in government turning everything to shite ? Because to me that seems far worse than an underperforming local authority and an allegedly absent MP.

You know what? Despite my misgivings over Farage, I probably give them my vote at the next general. They can't do any worse then this lot?

Ah. I see. You’re a nascent Farageist. Well, if you think David Lammy is an absentee MP, try asking the voters of Clacton about their guy. And let me assure you, Farage and his jokers not only can do very, very much worse than any Labour government (or any other government for that matter), they definitely would, given the chance. Seriously Nev, that you’re even contemplating voting for Farage tells me a great deal about you, and your political intelligence/gullibility. Please, try having a serious think about stuff.

I'm not a Faragist. If I was, I would be on X/Shitter 24 hours a day, spouting more nonsense.

For one thing, at least the people of Clacton know who their MP is. Here in Tottenham most people either never heard of or can't get access to Lammy, probably because of the local Labour party machine.

I hate the Conservatives for what they did to the UK over 14 years, spending cuts, brexit, the response to the COVID 19 outbreak, and the open corruption. Many older readers on this forum would remember the Thatcher/Major governments.

Right now I'm unhappy with things are happening with this government and will consider voting for anyone, ANYONE, to vote Labour out of office. Sooner rather than later. No Leopard ate my face jokes, please.

[Crabcakes]

For one thing, at least the people of Clacton know who their MP is. Here in Tottenham most people either never heard of or can't get access to Lammy, probably because of the local Labour party machine.

The people know where he is too - either at one of his other jobs or in the US on the grift.

[Abernathy]

Seems okay for an MP who is also in one of the big three offices of state :

https://www.davidlammy.co.uk/contact/

“(s)he’s never here” is a pretty common complaint about virtually all MPs. Sometimes, there is an element of truth in the complaint, but usually it is unwarranted. I suspect that Nev’s “complaint” fits into the latter category.

In Nigel Farage’s case, however, it seems to be entirely warranted.

[The Weeping Angel]

Quite something to see Ian Dunt's position there. His profile was built on No Surrender Remain. In retrospect that was high on our own supply disaster politics. Tory Remain voters were never putting Labour or the Lib Dems in, especially once No Deal was taken out of the equation. I don't even blame Corbyn, except maybe for now somehow getting May's Deal through, which hardly anybody apart from Caroline Flint wanted to do.

I wasn't as strident as Dunt, but I have to admit I got this wrong. I don't know if Dunt thinks he did, but his position going forward is sensible, and credit to him for that.

I've come to the conclusion that the best option for Remainers in 2017-19 would have been to advocate for a Swiss-Norwegian-style relationship with the EU instead of what we got. I know some will disagree, but it's what I believe.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think FoM was never going to pass. Jez got that right.

[Abernathy]

I'm not a Faragist. If I was, I would be on X/Shitter 24 hours a day, spouting more nonsense.

Instead, you’re doing it here. In any case I did not say that you are a Farageist, I said you were a nascent Farageist. Too difficult a word for you ?

Here in Tottenham most people either never heard of or can't get access to Lammy, probably because of the local Labour party machine.

Well, by definition, that cannot be true. “Most people” in Tottenham have not only heard of David Lammy, most people have voted for him - at one by-election and the last seven general elections. His vote share last July was 57.5%. Like all MPs, Lammy will have staff - not “the local Labour Party machine” - in the constituency, whose job it is to ensure that constituents are able to access their MP. If you’re saying people can’t get access to Lammy or at any rate his constituency office, I’m calling bullshit.

Right now I'm unhappy with things are happening with this government and will consider voting for anyone, ANYONE, to vote Labour out of office. Sooner rather than later. No Leopard ate my face jokes, please.

This government has been in office for only just short of nine months. Your impatient desperation to get rid of it is, to be charitable, unrealistic, and - bugger being charitable - actually laughable.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I'm getting sick of this bollocks.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Here in Tottenham most people either never heard of or can't get access to Lammy, probably because of the local Labour party machine.

I would think the security services aren't particularly keen on easy access either.

[kreuzberger]

Quite something to see Ian Dunt's position there. His profile was built on No Surrender Remain. In retrospect that was high on our own supply disaster politics. Tory Remain voters were never putting Labour or the Lib Dems in, especially once No Deal was taken out of the equation. I don't even blame Corbyn, except maybe for now somehow getting May's Deal through, which hardly anybody apart from Caroline Flint wanted to do.

I wasn't as strident as Dunt, but I have to admit I got this wrong. I don't know if Dunt thinks he did, but his position going forward is sensible, and credit to him for that.

I've come to the conclusion that the best option for Remainers in 2017-19 would have been to advocate for a Swiss-Norwegian-style relationship with the EU instead of what we got. I know some will disagree, but it's what I believe.

Calling is "No Surrender Remain" is a bit fucking rich as well as utterly false. We are not the howling isolationists that that implies and would have taken the options as outlined by TWA and, indeed, by the Out mob in that litany of lies that they called a "campaign".

Moreover, the timid tummy-tickled-tendency, mustn't-grumble are the enduring problem, as they pander to racists and bigots who are dead or dying in their droves (that's just geriatrics and counting), and sacrifice the economy on the most fruitless altar ever. All that hardship for the princely sum of fuck all.

My guess is that you and my kids will get a thin cocktail of Türkiye and EFTA, while the mail loses its shit about students from the countries to which the Telegraph is advising relocation.

[The Weeping Angel]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ir-starmer

The events of recent weeks have seen the UK step up alongside its European partners and play a leading role in the global response to a series of historic events. Russia’s continued aggression in Ukraine has required a momentous response from Europe. It has seen European nations come together in defence of our continent, going further than ever on defence spending to keep Ukraine in the fight for as long as it takes. I am proud that the UK has contributed £15bn in support of Ukrainian sovereignty.

Labour is rising to meet the challenges in this new era of global instability. It has pumped money into defence, and its first budget restored economic stability. The government needs to work with Britain’s allies on solutions that will minimise the impact of these global shocks. Today, Keir Starmer is hosting Ursula von der Leyen at Downing Street. They will be discussing how countries can work together to deliver energy security, as well as the progress made strengthening the UK-EU relationship since the election.

Their meeting is a clear example of global leaders working together on issues that matter to people – such as Ukraine, energy security and the global economy. It will also be an opportunity to take stock of the progress made in our negotiations for a better deal with the EU, and make sure teams are meeting our aspirations – to grow the economy, boost living standards and keep the UK safe – when we kicked off this work last October.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Calling is "No Surrender Remain" is a bit fucking rich as well as utterly false. We are not the howling isolationists that that implies and would have taken the options as outlined by TWA and, indeed, by the Out mob in that litany of lies that they called a "campaign".

Moreover, the timid tummy-tickled-tendency, mustn't-grumble are the enduring problem, as they pander to racists and bigots who are dead or dying in their droves (that's just geriatrics and counting), and sacrifice the economy on the most fruitless altar ever. All that hardship for the princely sum of fuck all.

My guess is that you and my kids will get a thin cocktail of Türkiye and EFTA, while the mail loses its shit about students from the countries to which the Telegraph is advising relocation.

I think it's hard not to say that Dunt and lots of the rest of us overplayed our hand, considerably before 2019. Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve and co were basically like anti-Trump Republicans, much more appealing than the rest of their party, but a minority who we thought were much bigger than they were.

Quite useful for the Mail and Telegraph to lose their shit, because it'll make the deal look good. Like the TCA, it'll be sui generis (I keep saying that today), as much as the EU is confident won't get smashed up again by PM Kemi- Farage.

[Crabcakes]

I've come to the conclusion that the best option for Remainers in 2017-19 would have been to advocate for a Swiss-Norwegian-style relationship with the EU instead of what we got. I know some will disagree, but it's what I believe.

Thing is, that was never on the table with May, and certainly not with Johnson. If it had have been I think a lot of people would have taken it. But there was no compromise and no one willing to talk compromise. So pushing for it would have been pointless because it was the state you’d hope to get as the compromise position.

[davidjay]

I've come to the conclusion that the best option for Remainers in 2017-19 would have been to advocate for a Swiss-Norwegian-style relationship with the EU instead of what we got. I know some will disagree, but it's what I believe.

Thing is, that was never on the table with May, and certainly not with Johnson. If it had have been I think a lot of people would have taken it. But there was no compromise and no one willing to talk compromise. So pushing for it would have been pointless because it was the state you’d hope to get as the compromise position.

I don't think it would have made much difference. The lumpen Leaver wasn't bothered with customs unions and the like, they just wanted to get rid of the forrins.