[Oboogie]

For his faults, I would still be willing to sit down and listen to Ed Milliband for his take on certain political matters compared to a different certain ex-Labour leader given that he has some important experience that could be useful in a potential Starmer-led government in the future, plus that he accepts that he screwed up in 2015 and didn't try to wriggle out of that, unlike certain fellow travellers of the other one I mentioned giving excuses like "we won the argument" - Milliband actually wanted his Labour party to be a party of government.

Then again, I'm not a member.

As a man I find Ed Miliband amiable, this isn't personal. As a politician, he has talent and I believe his intentions are good.
But as LOTO he was inept: the wrong person, in the wrong job, at the wrong time.
The litmus test is, as LOTO, he had one job, to deliver a Labour government. He failed.

[Spoonman]

For his faults, I would still be willing to sit down and listen to Ed Milliband for his take on certain political matters compared to a different certain ex-Labour leader given that he has some important experience that could be useful in a potential Starmer-led government in the future, plus that he accepts that he screwed up in 2015 and didn't try to wriggle out of that, unlike certain fellow travellers of the other one I mentioned giving excuses like "we won the argument" - Milliband actually wanted his Labour party to be a party of government.

Then again, I'm not a member.

As a man I find Ed Miliband amiable, this isn't personal. As a politician, he has talent and I believe his intentions are good.
But as LOTO he was inept: the wrong person, in the wrong job, at the wrong time.
The litmus test is, as LOTO, he had one job, to deliver a Labour government. He failed.

Indeed, that's a fair comment.

[Andy McDandy]

The Tories have tried some new populist hats; anti net zero, statues, woke bank accounts etc but it’s all just wiffle with no traction beyond its own looney base. So now they’ve fallen back into their Thatcherite comfort zone of tax cuts and prudent house keeping (too fucking late for that). Yes, it’s the economy, stupid.

And that's very likely why Braverman got the boot. The Cenotaph riot showed who these policies were appealing to - the very ugly and real far right. And they're just as appalling and toxic to the traditional Tory voters as a sudden influx of Albanian pimps taking over their cul-de-sac and filling it with Syrian prostitutes and social workers.

[Crabcakes]

And that's very likely why Braverman got the boot. The Cenotaph riot showed who these policies were appealing to - the very ugly and real far right.

I think the key part here is ‘showing’. The Tories don’t care if their policies appeal to thugs and bigots. In fact, I suspect they somewhat rely on it and many of them share similar views, albeit more politely expressed. What they do care about is this being exposed and undeniable.

Braverman made the link explicit because she’s too stupid and too self-important to care, and thinks these bigots can propel her into No. 10. I’m certain however that being seen to be very much on the same team as Yaxley-Lennon and chums made some Tories very uncomfortable - and deservedly so.

[MisterMuncher]

Much like the never-Trump Republican faction, it's an issue of presentation, not content.

[The Weeping Angel]

When in doubt blame Ed.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-net-zero

Some parliamentarians and media commentators placed the blame for Britain’s declining steel industry on the energy secretary, claiming that his net zero policies and lack of support for a proposed coalmine in Cumbria had made the energy and coking coal used to make steel more expensive.

During Saturday’s debate, the shadow business secretary, Andrew Griffith, said: “No one is more responsible for this than the energy secretary and the prime minister who appointed him.”



Andrew Neil blamed Miliband and what the broadcaster described as “net zero nonsense”, saying: “And now Miliband has the audacity to pose as the saviour of British steelworkers. In truth, the British political class has shamefully failed them, none more so than net zero zealot Miliband.”

The rightwing media were critical of Miliband, with calls for him to be reshuffled from his position and several pieces blaming the energy secretary for the perilous position of the Scunthorpe site.

But experts have said this characterisation is completely false. Prof Rob Gross, the director of the UK Energy Research Centre said: “The clean power mission can actually help save the steel industry.

[Youngian]

It’s been over 35 years since Thatcher made an urgent speech to the UN about how the world’s leaders needed to get their skates on to tackle global warming. I feel utter despair at the world my generation is leaving and at least Ed M gives a little bit of hope as an increasingly rare politician that’s trying.

[Tubby Isaacs]

They think they've lined up Ed as a weak link, and as investment is exempted from the spending rules, they'll try the old "your winter fuel allowance or Miliband's windmill". But I think they're wrong at a personal level, because (like William Hague) Ed looks more convincing in a supporting role than as leader and people actually care about Net Zero.

[The Weeping Angel]

There's someone on the Labour Future's Facebook group is really anti Ed and believes Milliband should resign over the steelworks as it's his fault apparently.