[Malcolm Armsteen]

This.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... sted-death

Another case focused on Ms B, a woman in her 50s suffering from multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome, who had a history of mental illness including suicidality and post-traumatic stress disorder. She was socially isolated and asked to die largely because she could not get proper housing, according to the report.

Committee members could not agree whether her death was justified; some said that because her inadequate housing was the main reason for her suffering, she should have been disqualified from euthanasia. Others argued that “social needs may be considered irremediable” if other options have been explored.

Sonu Gaind, a professor of medicine at the University of Toronto, said the coroner’s reports were alarming for numerous reasons, notably the handling of mental health conditions in those seeking euthanasia.

“What we’re doing in many cases is the opposite of suicide prevention,” he said, citing an example of a man in his 40s who had previously tried to kill himself and did not have a definitive diagnosis when his euthanasia was approved.

You're going to base your argument on a single atypical case?

And the proper punctuation would have been a colon.

[The Weeping Angel]

Not just a single case but others as well. I am allowed to be opposed to assisted dying Malcolm.

[Abernathy]

Not just a single case but others as well. I am allowed to be opposed to assisted dying Malcolm.

Nobody said that you were not. And so finally we get to the nub of the matter- you are opposed to assisted dying.

If you'd simply said that, instead of cutting and pasting 57 varieties of spurious, easily demolished "evidence" in a farcical attempt to try to justify your position, you could have saved yourself a lot of grief . You're still wrong, mind.

Now go and lie down in a darkened room.

[Crabcakes]

Not just a single case but others as well. I am allowed to be opposed to assisted dying Malcolm.

1. Presenting that case as ‘encouragement’ and the key issue as homelessness is wholly disingenuous
2. You haven’t answered the question. What would you say to someone who wished to end their own life to explain why you don’t think they should have that right? Because I don’t think they’d be won over by hand wringing about edge cases in a single country.

[The Weeping Angel]

I've not always been opposed to assisted dying. But reading about MAID and the flaws with this bill has has turned me from being open minded on the issue to anti. If you are to do something as contentious as assisted dying don't do it via a PMB. Do it either via A) Royal Commision or B) Govt bill and give everyone a free vote like Cameron did with gay marriage.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Not just a single case but others as well. I am allowed to be opposed to assisted dying Malcolm.

Then you should have said just that, honestly.

[The Weeping Angel]

Not just a single case but others as well. I am allowed to be opposed to assisted dying Malcolm.

1. Presenting that case as ‘encouragement’ and the key issue as homelessness is wholly disingenuous
2. You haven’t answered the question. What would you say to someone who wished to end their own life to explain why you don’t think they should have that right? Because I don’t think they’d be won over by hand wringing about edge cases in a single country.

1. It isn't disingenuous it's what happened.

2. I won't answer the question because it's a loaded question.

[The Weeping Angel]

I think this might be important.

[Crabcakes]

I've not always been opposed to assisted dying. But reading about MAID and the flaws with this bill has has turned me from being open minded on the issue to anti. If you are to do something as contentious as assisted dying don't do it via a PMB. Do it either via A) Royal Commision or B) Govt bill and give everyone a free vote like Cameron did with gay marriage.

Thank you. This is a reasoned response, and I can respect it even though I disagree.

And the point of the ‘loaded question’ wasn’t a trap - it was precisely to get this sort of answer rather than just examples of where things can seem to have gone wrong. I know there will inevitably be a small, but not zero, chance of people either abusing the system or being granted the opportunity to end their life when something else may have been an option. That’s inevitable as no law or process on such a complex topic can be absolutely watertight. But I think the very real good it absolutely will do, and the peace and relief it could bring, far outweighs the hypothetical bad that we can do our upmost to ensure never comes about.

[Abernathy]

I’d just question why it would be okay,in your view, to introduce a bill on choice at the end of life as a government sponsored bill with a free vote rather than via the current Private Member’s Bill, also with a free vote. Why do you think that ?

[Crabcakes]

In the spirit of showing I’m not entirely partisan on this, this (once you get past the slightly misleading headline) is a well considered contribution and I would entirely support amending the bill so it added a cooling off period.

[davidjay]

My mum is suffering from dementia. She's currently in hospital recovering from a chest infection. Physically she's doing well but she's agitated, she's screwing her face up agonisingly, thrashing around and wanting to do something without knowing what. I've just spent an horrendous hour with her alternatively begging me to take her home, to stop some unknown terror from getting her, being abused and her pleading with me to stay. No-one should ever be in the position of wanting a loved one dead.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I am so sorry to read that, David. A cruel disease, my thoughts are with you

[davidjay]

I am so sorry to read that, David. A cruel disease, my thoughts are with you

Thank you. Physically she's made a remarkable recovery, mentally she's getting worse all the time. I know she'll be back in hospital soon, either with another illness or an accident. It'll distress her even more and it'll cause us more upset. I'm trying to be objective rather than selfish in working out whether I want what's best for her, or for me.

[davidjay]

Apologies for harking back but this is taking up much of my time and I'm trying to rationalise it all. She's still agitated, unable to walk and nobody knows what her new normal will be, or for how long. On one hand she might settle down for a bit and be relatively content. The other hand is a regular cycle of illness, injury, further unsettling trips to hospital and who knows what sorts of mental anguish before she finally goes. I don't know what's for the best and I know there's no-one, not even my wife, who can really help me.

[Andy McDandy]

Believe me when I say that I understand what you are going through.

No easy answers, just remember that you are not alone.

[davidjay]

Believe me when I say that I understand what you are going through.

No easy answers, just remember that you are not alone.

I appreciate that, but it's still a torment.

[Youngian]

No-one should ever be in the position of wanting a loved one dead.

My mother begged me to kill her to end her pain. Didn’t fancy a long sentence in chokey so didn't even contemplate the idea. I was a selfish prick making it all about me by not ending my mum's suffering.

[Crabcakes]

Along with recent posts, this is a timely, sensitivity-written article about the realities of the system and why we absolutely need some sort of assisted dying here (notably, it’s from Canada as well). We all deserve to make a choice about the ends of our lives while we still can, if we can, and if it is what we wish.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... extend-one