:laughing: 75 % :poo: 25 %
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By Tubby Isaacs
#84497
Yep.

Starmer (with Macron) is one of the main ones pressing for defence integration, and strongly supporting Ukraine. It's pretty annoying to read this "deluded Starmer, just join Europe now" from (it seems) most of Bluesky. And I think the attitude of European leaders is "can you talk to this loon for us?"

By Youngian
#84522
I wonder if she might get more supportive?

That would be quite a turnaround but Le Pen dumped Frexit after the shit show in Britain for EU withdrawal. Don't know if she's more anti-Atlanticist than pro Trump. Or more to the point, more pro European than pro Moscow. Past form says she's not.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#84556
Discuss the future of security in Europe?
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#84572
Oboogie wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:22 pm
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:17 pm What do they actually want Starmer to do?
Fail.
It depends - who are 'they'?
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By Abernathy
#84601
Following Starmer’s announcement that he is ready to send British troops to Ukraine as part of any future agreed peace settlement with Putin, there is a phrase that keeps cropping up in some of the coverage and commentary : “in harm’s way”. A phrase that no doubt will be deployed ad nauseam by the Mail, Express, and sundry other right-wing commentators critical of anything and everything that Labour does. But just think about what a load of shite it is when deployed in that critical way .

British people who sign up to serve in their country’s armed forces do so voluntarily. They sign up in the full knowledge and understanding that during their military career, they may well be required to go into battle, or be put “in harm’s way”. Which isn’t to say they are unbothered or undaunted by that prospect, rather that they are already reconciled to the possibility. As Tennyson had it “theirs was not to question why, theirs was but to do, or die.” So in the context of critical ammo to fire at Starmer’s government, “in harm’s way” is actually bollocks . But hey ho.
By Youngian
#84603
For departing with Trump, you're going to see the party of Thatcher and Churchill competing with Farage doing a Jeremy Corbyn tribute act towards Russia.
Haven't as yet seen a single sitting Tory MP put country before party.
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By Bones McCoy
#84605
Andy McDandy wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:48 pm Schrodinger's soldier - rock hard SAS guy who eats Green Berets for breakfast, and is right now very hungry; and mummy's little gawky soldier. Simultaneously.
Boots on the ground when one of their orders it.
In Harms way, sent to slaughter, otherwise.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#84606
Youngian wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:46 pm For departing with Trump, you're going to see the party of Thatcher and Churchill competing with Farage doing a Jeremy Corbyn tribute act towards Russia.
Haven't as yet seen a single sitting Tory MP put country before party.
Sunak has backed Starmer.
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By Oboogie
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Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 3:46 pm
Youngian wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:46 pm For departing with Trump, you're going to see the party of Thatcher and Churchill competing with Farage doing a Jeremy Corbyn tribute act towards Russia.
Haven't as yet seen a single sitting Tory MP put country before party.
Sunak has backed Starmer.
Sunak can, he has no political ambitions left to fulfil.

YouGov have a poll which puts Labour, LibDems AND Tories voters all in favour of British troops being sent to Ukraine and even Reform voters are 44/45% on it. It'll be interesting to see how Badenoch and Farage respond.


Edited to correct an arithmetical error and attach the poll.
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